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I don’t understand why safari gets so much hate. Personally, I prefer it over all of the other browsers I have tried:chrome, ie, edge, Firefox, brave, opera, e

I don’t understand why safari gets so much hate. Personally, I prefer it over all of the other browsers I have tried:chrome, ie, edge, Firefox, brave, opera, etc

blacktriangle 5y ago
Because Google astroturfers are trying to cover up the fact that Chrome is 100% executing an embrace/extend/extinguish strategy to take over the web.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - blink32_naif 5y ago
    I count 30 items in the guidelines for comments. How can I learn to avoid such on a comment you flagged
    - dang 5y ago
      Sorry, but I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase?
    - blacktriangle 5y ago
      https://youtu.be/aLpKopSXLwo?t=193 https://youtu.be/aLpKopSXLwo?t=193
mannerheim 5y ago
There are a lot of bugs that only show up on Safari, and there's no way to test them without a Mac or a service like BrowserStack.
feross 5y ago
Supporting Safari takes up a huge amount of my time as a developer. That's why you see these articles.
- finiteseries 5y ago
  And nobody cares much outside chrome-web developers, that’s why you only see these articles from them and not users.
Dma54rhs 5y ago
You can't even test on Safari without investing in Apple specific hardware. It's not cross platform and Apple doesn't help devs either. Even MS provider VMs so you could actually test their damn closed browser.
- toastal 5y ago
  Even the open source Epiphany Web browser from GNOME can roll out updates to the core WebKit faster than Safari. It's not a 1:1 comparison, but it's the best way I can test WebKit from Linux even if Safari lags on releasing.
whatever_dude 5y ago
Until you've actually developed for mobile Safari, and had to deal with absurd bugs and anti-user problems that have been around for a decade, it's difficult to understand the scale of the problem. Even if you ignore any of the new shiny APIs and features being ignored by Apple, the general state of web support by Safari is atrocious and forces developers into many one-offs specially for that browser. This is actively anti user.

I don’t understand why safari gets so much hate. Personally, I prefer it over all of the other browsers I have tried:chrome, ie, edge, Firefox, brave, opera, etc

blacktriangle 5y ago

Because Google astroturfers are trying to cover up the fact that Chrome is 100% executing an embrace/extend/extinguish strategy to take over the web.

dang 5y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- blink32_naif 5y ago
  I count 30 items in the guidelines for comments. How can I learn to avoid such on a comment you flagged
  - dang 5y ago
    Sorry, but I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase?
  - blacktriangle 5y ago
    https://youtu.be/aLpKopSXLwo?t=193 https://youtu.be/aLpKopSXLwo?t=193

mannerheim 5y ago

There are a lot of bugs that only show up on Safari, and there's no way to test them without a Mac or a service like BrowserStack.

feross 5y ago

Supporting Safari takes up a huge amount of my time as a developer. That's why you see these articles.

finiteseries 5y ago
And nobody cares much outside chrome-web developers, that’s why you only see these articles from them and not users.

Dma54rhs 5y ago

You can't even test on Safari without investing in Apple specific hardware. It's not cross platform and Apple doesn't help devs either. Even MS provider VMs so you could actually test their damn closed browser.

toastal 5y ago
Even the open source Epiphany Web browser from GNOME can roll out updates to the core WebKit faster than Safari. It's not a 1:1 comparison, but it's the best way I can test WebKit from Linux even if Safari lags on releasing.

whatever_dude 5y ago

Until you've actually developed for mobile Safari, and had to deal with absurd bugs and anti-user problems that have been around for a decade, it's difficult to understand the scale of the problem. Even if you ignore any of the new shiny APIs and features being ignored by Apple, the general state of web support by Safari is atrocious and forces developers into many one-offs specially for that browser. This is actively anti user.