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And 6 months from now it's booster shot or no more employment. Same with 6 months after that. Use your heads, this isn't supposed to end.

13years 5y ago
Exactly. This is idiocy. There is already Delta-plus and other variants. It is now spreading more in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. https://fredbrownbill.wordpress.com/2021/07/20/covid-cases-exploding-in-heaviest-vaccinated-countries-why/ https://fredbrownbill.wordpress.com/2021/07/20/covid-cases-e...
armada651 5y ago
I don't see what the big deal is with getting a booster shot? I got the first two shots, call me a sheep but I'd happily take a third. > Use your heads, this isn't supposed to end. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy, the lower the vaccination rate the longer the pandemic will last.
- 13years 5y ago
  How about a monthly dose? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9775925/Can-long-Covid-cured-monthly-dose-vaccine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9775925/Can-long-... The more times you take it, you are increasing your risk of an adverse reaction. Yes, nothing to worry about here. 2 Weeks to flatten the curve didn't expand into anything else.
  - armada651 5y ago
    That monthly dose has nothing to do with preventing covid infections. It's an attempt at curing the long-term side effects of a covid infection.
    - 13years 5y ago
      I know, it is about the never ending saga that evolves into ever more unexpected needs/requirements that truly begin to look absurd. We are all playing a game of Simon Says.
      - armada651 5y ago
        I don't find the slippery slope argument to be a very convincing one. Given the delta variant the suggestion that we may need a booster shot is not absurd nor unexpected. There's been talk of a booster shot since the development of the vaccine started.
        13years 5y ago
        It is the totality of it all. Every bit of advice is usually contradicted within 3-6 months. This is a coronavirus that mutates easily. As many have suggested, it is likely here to stay. Are we going live in fear forever? Wearing masks, social distancing or whatever else they want us to do? In Australia, they are now saying you can't talk to people.
        armada651 5y ago
        > Every bit of advice is usually contradicted within 3-6 months. > This is a coronavirus that mutates easily. I think you have your answer right there for the contradictions. Though I think the CDC should be more open and honest about how they reach their advice. > Are we going live in fear forever? Wearing masks, social distancing or whatever else they want us to do? The vaccine has made me significantly less fearful and social distancing is not required when vaccinated. Wearing a mask indoors is only required while transmission levels are high and is only a minor inconvenience. You wouldn't tell me I'm living in fear of the rain for carrying an umbrella during wet season.
        13years 5y ago
        Given the contractions that exist not only in time, but across countries etc at any given moment, I simply propose that the only sensible solution is to allow individuals to evaluate their risks for themselves and take actions accordingly. Your advice at the end will be seen as rational by some, over caution by others and for some still not enough.
- amrcnimgrnt 5y ago
  The pandemic will never end, no matter how many ppl we vaccinate in the West. We'll never vaccinate Central Asia and Africa. Even if we could, COVID bifurcates quicker than we can vaccinate the world. Ergo COVID will never go extinct.
  - armada651 5y ago
    I think most experts have already said they expect it to be endemic going forward. But we can definitely use vaccines to get it to levels where it no longer qualifies as a pandemic.
    - amrcnimgrnt 5y ago
      Fair enough, but then you have to tell me at what level is the "pandemic over" for all practical purposes. We're at a seven day avg. of 300deaths/day right now. Car fatalities are 100deaths/day [2] . Smoking is >1000 death/day [3]. So we're near the geometric mean between smokes and cars. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.ht... [3] https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/heal...
      - armada651 5y ago
        For practical purposes most people will consider the pandemic over when the local epidemic is over. Which is when COVID infections reach a stable baseline and we're not experiencing multiple major outbreaks simultaneously. In other words, it's over when this map is mostly blue and yellow: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community
        amrcnimgrnt 5y ago
        Thank you for giving me an objective metric, but I don't think the objective standard follows from your first sentence: most people consider the pandemic over in their local area.
standardUser 5y ago
There is no consensus whatsoever that boosters will be necessary (except from the vaccine makers of course). Also, I am very curious, who specifically has decided this "isn't supposed to end"?
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  So we distrust the vaccine makers on the need for boosters, but we trust them with the original vaccine?
  - standardUser 5y ago
    Obviously we did not trust them with the original vaccines. We made them go through a series of rigorous clinical trials and apply for authorization before we allowed general use of their vaccines. Most vaccines still haven't made it through the process and many never will.
- throwitaway1235 5y ago
  Society has a hierarchy right? The top of that hierarchy. At least in regards to Western states. France has transformed into a full blown police state (Australia, NZ close behind) in just 1.5 years post Covid new normal. I just don't think any of the signals that would point to an inevitable conclusion look all that strong.

13years 5y ago

Exactly. This is idiocy. There is already Delta-plus and other variants. It is now spreading more in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. https://fredbrownbill.wordpress.com/2021/07/20/covid-cases-exploding-in-heaviest-vaccinated-countries-why/ https://fredbrownbill.wordpress.com/2021/07/20/covid-cases-e...

armada651 5y ago

I don't see what the big deal is with getting a booster shot? I got the first two shots, call me a sheep but I'd happily take a third. > Use your heads, this isn't supposed to end. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy, the lower the vaccination rate the longer the pandemic will last.

13years 5y ago
How about a monthly dose? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9775925/Can-long-Covid-cured-monthly-dose-vaccine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9775925/Can-long-... The more times you take it, you are increasing your risk of an adverse reaction. Yes, nothing to worry about here. 2 Weeks to flatten the curve didn't expand into anything else.
- armada651 5y ago
  That monthly dose has nothing to do with preventing covid infections. It's an attempt at curing the long-term side effects of a covid infection.
  - 13years 5y ago
    I know, it is about the never ending saga that evolves into ever more unexpected needs/requirements that truly begin to look absurd. We are all playing a game of Simon Says.
    - armada651 5y ago
      I don't find the slippery slope argument to be a very convincing one. Given the delta variant the suggestion that we may need a booster shot is not absurd nor unexpected. There's been talk of a booster shot since the development of the vaccine started.
      - 13years 5y ago
        It is the totality of it all. Every bit of advice is usually contradicted within 3-6 months. This is a coronavirus that mutates easily. As many have suggested, it is likely here to stay. Are we going live in fear forever? Wearing masks, social distancing or whatever else they want us to do? In Australia, they are now saying you can't talk to people.
        armada651 5y ago
        > Every bit of advice is usually contradicted within 3-6 months. > This is a coronavirus that mutates easily. I think you have your answer right there for the contradictions. Though I think the CDC should be more open and honest about how they reach their advice. > Are we going live in fear forever? Wearing masks, social distancing or whatever else they want us to do? The vaccine has made me significantly less fearful and social distancing is not required when vaccinated. Wearing a mask indoors is only required while transmission levels are high and is only a minor inconvenience. You wouldn't tell me I'm living in fear of the rain for carrying an umbrella during wet season.
        13years 5y ago
        Given the contractions that exist not only in time, but across countries etc at any given moment, I simply propose that the only sensible solution is to allow individuals to evaluate their risks for themselves and take actions accordingly. Your advice at the end will be seen as rational by some, over caution by others and for some still not enough.
amrcnimgrnt 5y ago
The pandemic will never end, no matter how many ppl we vaccinate in the West. We'll never vaccinate Central Asia and Africa. Even if we could, COVID bifurcates quicker than we can vaccinate the world. Ergo COVID will never go extinct.
- armada651 5y ago
  I think most experts have already said they expect it to be endemic going forward. But we can definitely use vaccines to get it to levels where it no longer qualifies as a pandemic.
  - amrcnimgrnt 5y ago
    Fair enough, but then you have to tell me at what level is the "pandemic over" for all practical purposes. We're at a seven day avg. of 300deaths/day right now. Car fatalities are 100deaths/day [2] . Smoking is >1000 death/day [3]. So we're near the geometric mean between smokes and cars. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.ht... [3] https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/heal...
    - armada651 5y ago
      For practical purposes most people will consider the pandemic over when the local epidemic is over. Which is when COVID infections reach a stable baseline and we're not experiencing multiple major outbreaks simultaneously. In other words, it's over when this map is mostly blue and yellow: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community
      - amrcnimgrnt 5y ago
        Thank you for giving me an objective metric, but I don't think the objective standard follows from your first sentence: most people consider the pandemic over in their local area.

standardUser 5y ago

There is no consensus whatsoever that boosters will be necessary (except from the vaccine makers of course). Also, I am very curious, who specifically has decided this "isn't supposed to end"?

throwawayboise 5y ago
So we distrust the vaccine makers on the need for boosters, but we trust them with the original vaccine?
- standardUser 5y ago
  Obviously we did not trust them with the original vaccines. We made them go through a series of rigorous clinical trials and apply for authorization before we allowed general use of their vaccines. Most vaccines still haven't made it through the process and many never will.
throwitaway1235 5y ago
Society has a hierarchy right? The top of that hierarchy. At least in regards to Western states. France has transformed into a full blown police state (Australia, NZ close behind) in just 1.5 years post Covid new normal. I just don't think any of the signals that would point to an inevitable conclusion look all that strong.