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This is such a stupid, stupid argument. Anyone who makes this argument has clearly never written PHP or has some personal stake in the Node.js ecosystem. I've

This is such a stupid, stupid argument. Anyone who makes this argument has clearly never written PHP or has some personal stake in the Node.js ecosystem. I've written Node.js/Javascript/TypeScript for the past 5-years and my last few projects have been Laravel just because of how damn easy it is. I've used Next.js, Gatsby, [insert flavor of the month here], but nothing has stood the test of time like PHP has. I never had a PHP server die on me because of a lost network connection. I never had a PHP server kill thousands of connections because of one error. I never was 4 versions behind a framework because it changes every fucking week. PHP never had me deploy a Kubernetes cluster with seven thousand pods and monitoring systems just to stay alive. Node.js is a horrible programming language with a worse package system and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't had the privilege to work with something else.

arcosdev 5y ago
You are right, it is a stupid argument, but does answer "why?"
masterof0 5y ago
The only person who seems to have personal stake on Laravel is you. No mainstream backend framework make you have your infra managed in k8s. There lots of reason to not use Laravel or PHP (or ruby on rails, or django, ...) in general. "It won't beat Laravel" , why? That's like saying to Django maintainers: give up what you are doing , because you will never beat Spring/Actix/.... Laravel might be useful for people who want to go the PHP route, but most people don't(save the wordpress sites fallacy). Also benchmarks put Laravel, and even Lumen in the bottom of the list (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ ), I get the appeal of Laravel, and I have used it in the past. But is not like the only and must have solution for all problems. Edit: I wrote this before noticing you called NodeJS a "programming language". Well there is that, but my point remains.
- tlackemann 5y ago
  I have no stake in Laravel. I just honestly think it's better than any Node.js framework you'll point at me. You also seem to have a vendetta against me. You okay?

arcosdev 5y ago

You are right, it is a stupid argument, but does answer "why?"

masterof0 5y ago

The only person who seems to have personal stake on Laravel is you. No mainstream backend framework make you have your infra managed in k8s. There lots of reason to not use Laravel or PHP (or ruby on rails, or django, ...) in general. "It won't beat Laravel" , why? That's like saying to Django maintainers: give up what you are doing , because you will never beat Spring/Actix/.... Laravel might be useful for people who want to go the PHP route, but most people don't(save the wordpress sites fallacy). Also benchmarks put Laravel, and even Lumen in the bottom of the list (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ ), I get the appeal of Laravel, and I have used it in the past. But is not like the only and must have solution for all problems. Edit: I wrote this before noticing you called NodeJS a "programming language". Well there is that, but my point remains.

tlackemann 5y ago
I have no stake in Laravel. I just honestly think it's better than any Node.js framework you'll point at me. You also seem to have a vendetta against me. You okay?