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Oracle scrubs site of embarrassing Java blog
- glimcat 15y agoCongratulations, Oracle! Not only have you completely failed to eradicate that information from the internet, but you've just made arguments to estoppel 10x more effective.
- Mithrandir 15y agoYou'd think Oracle wouldn't be this ignorant. At least an apology would have saved some face.
- sgt 15y agoAs a long time follower of Jonathan's blog, I must say I'm shocked Oracle would step down to this level. Oracle may be more business-savvy and able to make more money out of Sun technology than Jonathan was, but I'll be the first one to say that Jonathan ran a much nicer and more ethical company (for whatever that is worth).
- mitchty 15y agoOracle's been fucking up links/etc... to the sun.com domain for a while now. Remember all the research papers that you can't get to that were originally on sun.com? Same thing as this. Not overly surprising, but its sad to see so much useful content get nuked. The sun engineers that blogged generally had some really cool things relating to what they did. Like the dtrace guys, the kernel guys, and generally anyone in their engineering groups. It was extremely open as far as businesses go, and I for one will be sad to see oracle nuke the sun.com domain's useful bits away behind contract paywalls. Even though the company I work for has contracts, the general vibe isn't close to the same.
- Groxx 15y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect It's astonishing how many companies try it. I love the Internet for things like this :)
- Peaker 15y agoI guess you only hear about it when it has the Streisand effect. Perhaps there are many more cases that succeeded which you don't hear about?
- tedunangst 15y agoI think the comparison to Streisand effect is way off. Oracle has not issued any cease and desist letters to third parties. All they did was edit their own website. Big whoop. If a company's policy changes, they can't update their website to reflect the new policy? Really, the internet is carved in stone?
- rcxdude 15y agothe Streisand effect doesn't just apply to someone attempting to silence another, It applies to any attempt to remove information (although it does usually need to be information of some interest in order to apply).
- econgeeker 15y agoI don't think that google was originally going with Sun Java is in dispute by anyone, thus I don't see the relevance of this to estoppel. This is just an admission by Sun that Google had licensed (at one point) Sun software.
- PotatoChips 15y agoNot as interesting as this smoking gun from Andy Rubin. This is pretty damning evidence of willful infringement on the part of Google. One of the most interesting passages in today's order quotes from an October 2005 email by Google's Android boss Andy Rubin back in 2005: "If Sun doesn't want to work with us, we have two options: 1) Abandon our work and adopt MSFT CLR VM and C# language - or - 2) Do Java anyway and defend our decision, perhaps making enemies along the way" If a jury sees that statement (and if there is a trial, then the jury will see it for sure), Google has a very serious problem. And "very serious" may be an understatement. Moreover, a statement like that showing up in publicly accessible court documents now may cause significant concern among many of Google's Android partners (including, but not limited to, device makers). http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/judge-orders-overhaul-of-oracles.html http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/judge-orders-overhau...
- haberman 15y agoFlorian Mueller, is that you? You copy/pasted this comment from your identical comment 14 hours ago, which was rebutted and downvoted into oblivion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2797179 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2797179
- PotatoChips 15y agowhat rebuttal? just a bunch of comments from people who are in denial of the fact that Google willingly and knowingly infringed on Java patents when they were developing Android. Google already indicated that they are willing to pay and settle this thing with Oracle.
- econgeeker 15y agoAt one point in Android's development, Google was using Sun Java, and it is not really embarrassing to see the CEO of Sun congratulating google on becoming a customer. For whatever reasons, google later switched to their own VM, etc. It seems that people who think this is embarrassing to Oracle think that Schwartz is talking about google's VM rather than the Sun one in this blog post. I think Oracle has been eradicating all signs of Previous Management of Sun from the internet. Not because of the litigation with google but because Sun's management was kinda embarrassing-- at least from the perspective of Oracle. This post isn't actually damning because it reinforces the fact that Google was a Sun customer, and thus had access to Sun IP, prior to doing their own thing.
- mda 15y agoCan you give a reference about this assumption: "At one point in Android's development, Google was using Sun Java, and it is not really embarrassing to see the CEO of Sun congratulating google on becoming a customer. For whatever reasons, google later switched to their own VM, etc."
- bad_user 15y agoAt one point in Android's development, Google was using Sun Java Android developers still use Oracle's Java in development mode -- only after the code gets compiled for distribution it then gets translated to Dalvik's bytecode. But Dalvik was there from the start and if you're implying that somehow Android used Sun's Java instead of the current Dalvik, then no, it never had.
- nextparadigms 15y agoFrom the moment it launched, Android has always used Dalvik VM. And that post praises them after Android launched.