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Sure, but the harm from COVID is pretty evident in the 600,000 deaths in the states in the past 18 months. No one has said the vaccine is 100% safe, it does li

by giarc 5y ago

Sure, but the harm from COVID is pretty evident in the 600,000 deaths in the states in the past 18 months. No one has said the vaccine is 100% safe, it does list side effects after all, but this whole notion of "I'm waiting until all the data is out/it's only approved for emergency use" is just nonsensical.

bruceb 5y ago
If you are young and in shape, then the likely hood of you dying is extremely low.
- pb7 5y ago
  Except if there are severe consequences that will only arise years down the line, which we're already seeing, right?
- tfehring 5y ago
  Yeah, mortality risk is only part of the picture, and probably not the most relevant part for young and healthy people. But there are lots of other medium-term (at least) impacts of COVID that have already been observed, and at this point I think it's really unlikely that the expected long-term harm from the vaccine is anywhere close to the expected long-term harm from COVID even in young, healthy people. The cognitive effects of COVID alone (discussed recently at [0]) are probably much more harmful in expectation than the vaccine side-effects, even accounting for the relatively high likelihood that those effects are not real, not causal, and/or reversible. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/oq4vho/cognitive_deficits_in_people_who_have_recovered/ https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/oq4vho/cognitive_d...
  - PKop 5y ago
    This study does not show a before and after cognitive decline from having COVID. It shows correlation between people with lower cognitive levels having COVID vs those who do not have COVID. The causality could of course be going in the opposite direction from what you are implying (lower IQ -> more likely to get COVID).
drclau 5y ago
Death is one thing. Then, there seem to be long term side effects from having the Covid-19 disease that one would not risk having from the vaccines. Because this is such a sensitive topic, I will refrain from sharing more information or links. But, between the known problems of Covid, including risk of death and risk of infecting other potentially more vulnerable people on one hand, and no evidence of serious problems from the vaccines on the other hand, the choice is simple, in my books. I may be proven wrong in the future, but I have to act based on information I have currently, and I have to act relatively fast.

by giarc 5y ago

bruceb 5y ago

If you are young and in shape, then the likely hood of you dying is extremely low.

pb7 5y ago
Except if there are severe consequences that will only arise years down the line, which we're already seeing, right?
tfehring 5y ago
Yeah, mortality risk is only part of the picture, and probably not the most relevant part for young and healthy people. But there are lots of other medium-term (at least) impacts of COVID that have already been observed, and at this point I think it's really unlikely that the expected long-term harm from the vaccine is anywhere close to the expected long-term harm from COVID even in young, healthy people. The cognitive effects of COVID alone (discussed recently at [0]) are probably much more harmful in expectation than the vaccine side-effects, even accounting for the relatively high likelihood that those effects are not real, not causal, and/or reversible. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/oq4vho/cognitive_deficits_in_people_who_have_recovered/ https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/oq4vho/cognitive_d...
- PKop 5y ago
  This study does not show a before and after cognitive decline from having COVID. It shows correlation between people with lower cognitive levels having COVID vs those who do not have COVID. The causality could of course be going in the opposite direction from what you are implying (lower IQ -> more likely to get COVID).

drclau 5y ago

Death is one thing. Then, there seem to be long term side effects from having the Covid-19 disease that one would not risk having from the vaccines. Because this is such a sensitive topic, I will refrain from sharing more information or links. But, between the known problems of Covid, including risk of death and risk of infecting other potentially more vulnerable people on one hand, and no evidence of serious problems from the vaccines on the other hand, the choice is simple, in my books. I may be proven wrong in the future, but I have to act based on information I have currently, and I have to act relatively fast.