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There are hundreds of deaths everyday from many preventable causes, we generally don't force people to take medications or change their lifestyle to reduce them

There are hundreds of deaths everyday from many preventable causes, we generally don't force people to take medications or change their lifestyle to reduce them.

standardUser 5y ago
"Preventable causes" are very different form "preventable illnesses". Avoiding a heart attack requires decades of actions and decisions. Avoiding polio requires one shot once. In the developed world, not many people die from diseases that are preventable by vaccine. Well, until now.
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- throwawayboise 5y ago
  One argument that got thrown around a lot was that people in the hospital with COVID are taking medical resources away from others. You could make the same argument for people who choose to drink, smoke, remain obese, sedentary, have untreated diabetes or other chronic conditions that will eventually put them in the hospital needing a lot of very expensive care.
  - Imnimo 5y ago
    Those conditions don't overwhelm hospital capacity because they don't produce exponential growth of illness, so I don't think you could make the same argument.
spywaregorilla 5y ago
I can name dozens of lifestyle choices you're forbidden from doing due to risk to yourself and others.
- munk-a 5y ago
  Sadly my favorite past-time - driving tanks into office buildings - was outlawed by "big government". /s
objectivetruth 5y ago
Heart disease, diabetes, and lung cancer aren't contagious. Kids can't catch coronary artery disease in the classroom.
zaptheimpaler 5y ago
Yes because those causes usually dont affect others. With COVID, those unvaccinated people create a breeding ground for new even stronger variants of COVID that could kill millions more. Or force us to go back to quarantine even longer. If you are hell bent on risking your own life, fine, but your liberty ends where mine begins. These kind of hyper libertarian arguments always just conveniently ignore everyone except the person making them. We allow smoking because it's your choice but not in public places because that hurts others. We have speed limits because your liberty to drive at 120 ends when it endangers other drivers. We have no restrictions on how much fast food you can eat because it does not impact anyone else.
- benmw333 5y ago
  Huh I didn't know the obese were no longer a heavy weight on the cost, availability and quality of healthcare. Good to know! Looking forward to my insurance premiums coming down once you pass that info to the insurance companies and socialized gov medicine!
  - zaptheimpaler 5y ago
    Wait so now you ARE in favor of restricting the liberty of those who eat fast food because it costs you???? Which is it liberty for all or just liberty as long it doesn't cost you a cent?
s5300 5y ago
Letting a contagious pandemic rage in your country is not exactly good for national security reasons.

There are hundreds of deaths everyday from many preventable causes, we generally don't force people to take medications or change their lifestyle to reduce them.

standardUser 5y ago

"Preventable causes" are very different form "preventable illnesses". Avoiding a heart attack requires decades of actions and decisions. Avoiding polio requires one shot once. In the developed world, not many people die from diseases that are preventable by vaccine. Well, until now.

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throwawayboise 5y ago
One argument that got thrown around a lot was that people in the hospital with COVID are taking medical resources away from others. You could make the same argument for people who choose to drink, smoke, remain obese, sedentary, have untreated diabetes or other chronic conditions that will eventually put them in the hospital needing a lot of very expensive care.
- Imnimo 5y ago
  Those conditions don't overwhelm hospital capacity because they don't produce exponential growth of illness, so I don't think you could make the same argument.

spywaregorilla 5y ago

I can name dozens of lifestyle choices you're forbidden from doing due to risk to yourself and others.

munk-a 5y ago
Sadly my favorite past-time - driving tanks into office buildings - was outlawed by "big government". /s

objectivetruth 5y ago

Heart disease, diabetes, and lung cancer aren't contagious. Kids can't catch coronary artery disease in the classroom.

zaptheimpaler 5y ago

Yes because those causes usually dont affect others. With COVID, those unvaccinated people create a breeding ground for new even stronger variants of COVID that could kill millions more. Or force us to go back to quarantine even longer. If you are hell bent on risking your own life, fine, but your liberty ends where mine begins. These kind of hyper libertarian arguments always just conveniently ignore everyone except the person making them. We allow smoking because it's your choice but not in public places because that hurts others. We have speed limits because your liberty to drive at 120 ends when it endangers other drivers. We have no restrictions on how much fast food you can eat because it does not impact anyone else.

benmw333 5y ago
Huh I didn't know the obese were no longer a heavy weight on the cost, availability and quality of healthcare. Good to know! Looking forward to my insurance premiums coming down once you pass that info to the insurance companies and socialized gov medicine!
- zaptheimpaler 5y ago
  Wait so now you ARE in favor of restricting the liberty of those who eat fast food because it costs you???? Which is it liberty for all or just liberty as long it doesn't cost you a cent?

s5300 5y ago

Letting a contagious pandemic rage in your country is not exactly good for national security reasons.