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This is a weird idea I’ve had but… would it be possible to e.g. breed domestic dogs who will eat the deer but won’t be aggressive to humans? I have a pitbull w

This is a weird idea I’ve had but… would it be possible to e.g. breed domestic dogs who will eat the deer but won’t be aggressive to humans? I have a pitbull who is really nice to people, other dogs and even cats but absolutely goes crazy when it sees one of these city rats coming out of a bush. I raised her obviously she wasn’t a wild animal. Just a thought

duxup 5y ago
Would be interesting just to breed dogs to chase them ... a lot. Sounds like a lot of work, but interesting idea. Some studies have found that just "scaring" some prey animals reduces their breeding and encourages them to move around more.
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  Lol, you don't really need to selectively breed dogs to chase animals. All dogs have what's called a "prey drive," to an extent, which is essentially their inborn desire to hunt other animals. It's left over from when they were wolves. Different breeds have higher or lower prey drives, so it's not at all uniform from breed to breed or dog to dog.
  - duxup 5y ago
    I'm thinking breed them to chase them... I'm thinking in a manageable way. Any dog will chase them, and then the dog will also run out into the road. We don't want dogs doing that ;)
    - actually_a_dog 5y ago
      You're talking about training, not breeding. Training is what makes a herding animal herd rather than run off in the woods and chase deer. :)
      - duxup 5y ago
        Valid point. Although I'll be picky and say that breeding plays into that .... but admit I don't want to bread a whole new dog for this imaginary and possibly unproductive job ;)
        actually_a_dog 5y ago
        Breeding is a factor with pretty much anything when it comes to dogs. Hypothetically, you'd want a dog fast enough to at least sort of keep up with the deer, sturdy enough that Bambi isn't going to beat him up too badly if he gets too close, and smart enough to know that Bambi can be pretty mean if he has to be. This, of course, is on top of having enough of a prey drive to actually want to chase after Bambi, and trainable enough to learn how to do it so Bambi doesn't kick the crap out of him. Putting all that into the Dog-O-Matic(TM) Computer.... ... WORKING... ... beep boop Beep beep ker-chunk boop boop ... DING! THE MOST SUITABLE DOG FOR YOUR REQUIREMENTS IS: the Scottish Deerhound[0]. ==================== Of course, there are other dogs that would do just as well, like the Norwegian Elkhound[1], the Karelian Bear Dog[2,3], the Bluetick Coonhound[4, 5], or, even that well-known gentle giant, the Great Dane [6]. Believe it or not, Great Danes can run really, really fast. Their top speed is somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 mph[7]! Even Bambi might not be able to outrun that. Whichever breed you choose, get your dog from a reputable breeder of working line dogs. Working dogs, show dogs, and pet dogs all tend to have different temperaments, and you'll have an easier time if you pick a dog from a line that's suited to his role. Frequently, the different lines will even have different physical characteristics[8, 9]. Not only that, but you'll want to make sure you pick a good breeder, and choose the dogs that will be most likely able to succeed at running down Bambi. For hunting dog breeds, at minimum, this means the dog's parents should have passed breed standard hunting trials, or the equivalent. The ultimate would be a pup whose parents are both field champions, or champions in some other doggie sport[11]. You want a star canine athlete, not a bench warmer. Anyway... TL;DR: Yes, breeding matters. No, you wouldn't have to create an entirely new dog breed to chase Bambi around. Pick a good breeder. Choose a dog based on his parents. You're looking for an athlete, not a pet. --- [0]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/scottish-deerhound/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/scottish-deerhound/ [1]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/norwegian-elkhound/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/norwegian-elkhound/ [2]: That sounds made up, doesn't it? Seriously, it sounds like something straight out of Star Trek. [3]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/karelian-bear-dog/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/karelian-bear-dog/ [4]: Watch out when talking about your Coonhound in polite company. These dogs live to chase and corner raccoons ("coons") up in trees, barking at them from the base of the tree while the hunter shoots at them. Why be careful? Unfortunately, "coon" is an extremely offensive racial slur against Black people in the US. You really want to avoid that type of association with dogs, Black people, and trees, if you know what I mean. See https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/ https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/ [5]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/bluetick-coonhound/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/bluetick-coonhound/ [6]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/great-dane/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/great-dane/ [7]: https://highlandcanine.com/the-fastest-dog-breeds-in-the-world/ https://highlandcanine.com/the-fastest-dog-breeds-in-the-wor... [8]: https://www.allshepherd.com/working-lines-german-shepherd-vs-show-lines/ https://www.allshepherd.com/working-lines-german-shepherd-vs... [9]: https://www.allshepherd.com/german-shepherd-sloping-back-vs-straight-back/ https://www.allshepherd.com/german-shepherd-sloping-back-vs-... [10]: https://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/canine-athlete-performance-dogs/hunting-and-field-trials.html https://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/canine-athlete-performa... [11]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhund
- h2odragon 5y ago
  Sounds like my hounds. One of our dogs has an arrangement with a deer who got hit by a car a couple years ago, she and her fawns can hang out under the dog's favorite oak tree, but any other deer gets chased off with much noise. However, I can't say we've noticed any reduction in the deer fecundity here because they get chased around. They simply learned to tolerate the occasional chase as a cost of living in our valley, which is evidently not too burdensome on them.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  I think chasing them is a better, and easier, idea.
cmh89 5y ago
The animals that traditionally hunt the deer aren't aggressive to humans. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Most apex predators are hunted out of existence to protect the marginal amounts of cattle they kill. See the great wolf slaughter happening in Montana currently. After they kill off all the wolves, the negative externalities of that action will become apparent, yet again, and the federal government will spend millions rehabbing the wolf populations until some populist conservative decides to decimate the population again. Rinse, repeat.
- Aissen 5y ago
  I have often wondered if it wouldn't be cheaper for the government to pay for the occasional lost cattle instead of costly rehabilitation. Of course there would need to be safeguards in place to prevent abuse of the mechanism, and to prevent predators from getting used to easy preys.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    I've proposed this many times, but the idea gets no traction. I don't really know why. I bet paying for a cow now and then would be even cheaper than paying government hunters to use helicopters, etc., to hunt the wolves. It's an appropriate use of tax money.
    - Someone 5y ago
      https://www.mda.state.mn.us/business-dev-loans-grants/wolf-depredation-compensation https://www.mda.state.mn.us/business-dev-loans-grants/wolf-d...: “the 1977 Minnesota Legislature authorized the Minnesota Department of Agriculture (MDA) to reimburse livestock owners for losses caused by wolves” Reading https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/02/heres-how-much-minnesota-has-paid-out-for-wolf-kills-of-livestock-over-the-last-two-decades/ https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/02/heres-how-much-..., that gets around 100 claims per year, for a payout of about $100,000. The EU has a similar program (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46153727 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46153727)
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duxup 5y ago

Would be interesting just to breed dogs to chase them ... a lot. Sounds like a lot of work, but interesting idea. Some studies have found that just "scaring" some prey animals reduces their breeding and encourages them to move around more.

actually_a_dog 5y ago
Lol, you don't really need to selectively breed dogs to chase animals. All dogs have what's called a "prey drive," to an extent, which is essentially their inborn desire to hunt other animals. It's left over from when they were wolves. Different breeds have higher or lower prey drives, so it's not at all uniform from breed to breed or dog to dog.
- duxup 5y ago
  I'm thinking breed them to chase them... I'm thinking in a manageable way. Any dog will chase them, and then the dog will also run out into the road. We don't want dogs doing that ;)
  - actually_a_dog 5y ago
    You're talking about training, not breeding. Training is what makes a herding animal herd rather than run off in the woods and chase deer. :)
    - duxup 5y ago
      Valid point. Although I'll be picky and say that breeding plays into that .... but admit I don't want to bread a whole new dog for this imaginary and possibly unproductive job ;)
      - actually_a_dog 5y ago
        Breeding is a factor with pretty much anything when it comes to dogs. Hypothetically, you'd want a dog fast enough to at least sort of keep up with the deer, sturdy enough that Bambi isn't going to beat him up too badly if he gets too close, and smart enough to know that Bambi can be pretty mean if he has to be. This, of course, is on top of having enough of a prey drive to actually want to chase after Bambi, and trainable enough to learn how to do it so Bambi doesn't kick the crap out of him. Putting all that into the Dog-O-Matic(TM) Computer.... ... WORKING... ... beep boop Beep beep ker-chunk boop boop ... DING! THE MOST SUITABLE DOG FOR YOUR REQUIREMENTS IS: the Scottish Deerhound[0]. ==================== Of course, there are other dogs that would do just as well, like the Norwegian Elkhound[1], the Karelian Bear Dog[2,3], the Bluetick Coonhound[4, 5], or, even that well-known gentle giant, the Great Dane [6]. Believe it or not, Great Danes can run really, really fast. Their top speed is somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 mph[7]! Even Bambi might not be able to outrun that. Whichever breed you choose, get your dog from a reputable breeder of working line dogs. Working dogs, show dogs, and pet dogs all tend to have different temperaments, and you'll have an easier time if you pick a dog from a line that's suited to his role. Frequently, the different lines will even have different physical characteristics[8, 9]. Not only that, but you'll want to make sure you pick a good breeder, and choose the dogs that will be most likely able to succeed at running down Bambi. For hunting dog breeds, at minimum, this means the dog's parents should have passed breed standard hunting trials, or the equivalent. The ultimate would be a pup whose parents are both field champions, or champions in some other doggie sport[11]. You want a star canine athlete, not a bench warmer. Anyway... TL;DR: Yes, breeding matters. No, you wouldn't have to create an entirely new dog breed to chase Bambi around. Pick a good breeder. Choose a dog based on his parents. You're looking for an athlete, not a pet. --- [0]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/scottish-deerhound/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/scottish-deerhound/ [1]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/norwegian-elkhound/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/norwegian-elkhound/ [2]: That sounds made up, doesn't it? Seriously, it sounds like something straight out of Star Trek. [3]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/karelian-bear-dog/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/karelian-bear-dog/ [4]: Watch out when talking about your Coonhound in polite company. These dogs live to chase and corner raccoons ("coons") up in trees, barking at them from the base of the tree while the hunter shoots at them. Why be careful? Unfortunately, "coon" is an extremely offensive racial slur against Black people in the US. You really want to avoid that type of association with dogs, Black people, and trees, if you know what I mean. See https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/ https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/ [5]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/bluetick-coonhound/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/bluetick-coonhound/ [6]: https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/great-dane/ https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/great-dane/ [7]: https://highlandcanine.com/the-fastest-dog-breeds-in-the-world/ https://highlandcanine.com/the-fastest-dog-breeds-in-the-wor... [8]: https://www.allshepherd.com/working-lines-german-shepherd-vs-show-lines/ https://www.allshepherd.com/working-lines-german-shepherd-vs... [9]: https://www.allshepherd.com/german-shepherd-sloping-back-vs-straight-back/ https://www.allshepherd.com/german-shepherd-sloping-back-vs-... [10]: https://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/canine-athlete-performance-dogs/hunting-and-field-trials.html https://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/canine-athlete-performa... [11]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhund
h2odragon 5y ago
Sounds like my hounds. One of our dogs has an arrangement with a deer who got hit by a car a couple years ago, she and her fawns can hang out under the dog's favorite oak tree, but any other deer gets chased off with much noise. However, I can't say we've noticed any reduction in the deer fecundity here because they get chased around. They simply learned to tolerate the occasional chase as a cost of living in our valley, which is evidently not too burdensome on them.
edgyquant 5y ago
I think chasing them is a better, and easier, idea.

cmh89 5y ago

The animals that traditionally hunt the deer aren't aggressive to humans. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Most apex predators are hunted out of existence to protect the marginal amounts of cattle they kill. See the great wolf slaughter happening in Montana currently. After they kill off all the wolves, the negative externalities of that action will become apparent, yet again, and the federal government will spend millions rehabbing the wolf populations until some populist conservative decides to decimate the population again. Rinse, repeat.

Aissen 5y ago
I have often wondered if it wouldn't be cheaper for the government to pay for the occasional lost cattle instead of costly rehabilitation. Of course there would need to be safeguards in place to prevent abuse of the mechanism, and to prevent predators from getting used to easy preys.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  I've proposed this many times, but the idea gets no traction. I don't really know why. I bet paying for a cow now and then would be even cheaper than paying government hunters to use helicopters, etc., to hunt the wolves. It's an appropriate use of tax money.
  - Someone 5y ago
    https://www.mda.state.mn.us/business-dev-loans-grants/wolf-depredation-compensation https://www.mda.state.mn.us/business-dev-loans-grants/wolf-d...: “the 1977 Minnesota Legislature authorized the Minnesota Department of Agriculture (MDA) to reimburse livestock owners for losses caused by wolves” Reading https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/02/heres-how-much-minnesota-has-paid-out-for-wolf-kills-of-livestock-over-the-last-two-decades/ https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/02/heres-how-much-..., that gets around 100 claims per year, for a payout of about $100,000. The EU has a similar program (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46153727 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46153727)

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