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Speaking of insanity: I'm a customer with init7. Great service! You know what's not great? I live in a new building. It was built in ~2015. It's not even on Go

Speaking of insanity: I'm a customer with init7. Great service! You know what's not great? I live in a new building. It was built in ~2015. It's not even on Google Street View. They decided to go with a commercial solution ("digitalStrom") for Ethernet that caps out at 100Mbit. I now have to use Wifi to get anywhere close to the 1Gbit I pay for. The lack of forethought (or the grift for the company that bought that tech) is astounding. Thank god I only rent.

moooo99 5y ago
Reading this in Germany, I'd happily overpay for a 1Gbit connection even though I couldn't use it. Unfortunately, the fastest available connection here is a 50mbps, and thats a significant improvement. Three years ago, we were limited to a 16mbps connection for a household of four. But I wouldn't be surprised if my 50mbps connection is as expensive as your connection, presumably while offering worse service.
- ubanholzer 5y ago
  60€ / month plus a one-time-fee of 100€. if you want 25 gbit/s (and if the POP supports it), you pay a one-time-fee of 310€. But the availability is currently very restricted to urban regions
  - dathinab 5y ago
    A 50Mb/10Mb connection often cost around 30€/Month + 70€ one time in Germany but: - You often only get it in city areas, I say city areas because metro areas include small settlements around the city still connected with the metro. And in many experience it's quite likely the best you can get in that settlements is either way less or unreliable high latency LTE. - There are faster contracts like 250Mb/40Mb for 45€/Month but availability is spotty, and companies will sell it to you even if not technical available. E.g. most 100Mb contracts say serving 60Mb would still be "valid" for your 100Mb contract. - It's not uncommon that many DSL of different people will go through choke points in areas with high population density but not that much money, so speeds dropping sometime randomly noticeable are not uncommon. - It's common that if there are technical problems (which are not uncommon when switching providers) it can take days to fix them, my previous (small) company went a month without proper internet connection due to this, they fell back to using a LTE router temporary but they had to buy it themself it wasn't provided by the internet provider. A good point is that all the internet contracts tend include a land line phone number and tend to have "unlimited" data volume (which isn't always truly unlimited, but close enough to unlimited). Frequent stories include internet being so bad that it frequently is short term temporary(<15min) unavailable, randomly temporary super slow internet, or a supposedly 100Mb internet connection frequently slowing down to close to 1Mb causing video conferences to fail. And that is in the city. Outside of cities it's common to have insanely slow internet all the time to a point that people fall back to use LTE->WLAN routers, but then it's common to hear that the LTE is frequently overloaded around "rush hours" making people at the "outer ranges" of the closest LTE tower lose connection. The state of the German internet infrastructure is kinda a sad joke. Through I should note that things differ depending on the area of Germany you are in. Anyway the best thing I can buy (and get) in my area (in a relatively wealthy area of Berlin) is ~60Mb/10Mb connection which is somewhat reliable (fails 0-4 times every day for ~1-5min each, but it only happens between 2am and 6am, so ok, not a problem and at least one failure is probably the router). EDIT: Just to be clear the biggest joke are not the ISP's but the politicians which let themself be bribed not only to tolerate but actively support this situation. Through it's also incompetence not to long ago some politician responsible for making regulations in this area stated (and believed) that ???Kb (forgot the actual value but it was less then 1Mb) is high speed internet. It's sad if politician are stuck years in the past and are so arrogant and incompetent that educating them about their mistake is destined to fail.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Don't despair. Hope is in the air! https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/600-000-anschluesse-bis-2025-telekom-will-berlin-zur-deutschen-glasfaser-hauptstadt-machen/26999496.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/600-000-anschluesse-bis-2... (giggle)
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/os8dw7/ja_dann_gibt_es_halt_keinen_breitbandausbau_f%C3%BCr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/os8dw7/ja_dann_gibt_es_...
    - pimeys 5y ago
      This spotty internet in Berlin is interesting. I have a Vodafone cable and I get 5 minute cuts to tje connection every now and then. Usually around 6pm to 8pm. Always five minutes, the modem blinks the lights and internet is back on. Every now and then it happens earlier and that really sucks when having a zoom meeting. I monitor my internet with Grafana and can provide stats for these problems for the past few years...
  - qalmakka 5y ago
    In Italy a 1Gbps/200Mbps FTTH connection is around €25-30/mo, without any upfront setup cost. Some ISPs even gives out Fritzboxes as their free router, and even include a landline number with unlimited phone calls.
- cuillevel3 5y ago
  You don't live in a major city I guess? Most providers in Germany do offer 200-1000mbit downstream. IPv6 is also common. In case of DS-Lite you don't even get your own IPv4 anymore.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    Major city + wonky phone line means you can't even get 50 Mbps via DSL, and the landlord having a deal with some specific cable provider can cut off that avenue.
  - DynamicStatic 5y ago
    Not that guy but similar problem, Berlin.
zahllos 5y ago
I only actually pay for 100Mbits symmetric. Quite a lot of VPSes only offer that anyway, even now. But yes it doesn't make sense for local wiring at all. 1Gbit-capable LAN cabling is cheap and ubiquitous. On the other hand it sounds like you have wired ethernet in your building... that's also quite unusual. Mine (70s) does not :)

moooo99 5y ago

Reading this in Germany, I'd happily overpay for a 1Gbit connection even though I couldn't use it. Unfortunately, the fastest available connection here is a 50mbps, and thats a significant improvement. Three years ago, we were limited to a 16mbps connection for a household of four. But I wouldn't be surprised if my 50mbps connection is as expensive as your connection, presumably while offering worse service.

ubanholzer 5y ago
60€ / month plus a one-time-fee of 100€. if you want 25 gbit/s (and if the POP supports it), you pay a one-time-fee of 310€. But the availability is currently very restricted to urban regions
- dathinab 5y ago
  A 50Mb/10Mb connection often cost around 30€/Month + 70€ one time in Germany but: - You often only get it in city areas, I say city areas because metro areas include small settlements around the city still connected with the metro. And in many experience it's quite likely the best you can get in that settlements is either way less or unreliable high latency LTE. - There are faster contracts like 250Mb/40Mb for 45€/Month but availability is spotty, and companies will sell it to you even if not technical available. E.g. most 100Mb contracts say serving 60Mb would still be "valid" for your 100Mb contract. - It's not uncommon that many DSL of different people will go through choke points in areas with high population density but not that much money, so speeds dropping sometime randomly noticeable are not uncommon. - It's common that if there are technical problems (which are not uncommon when switching providers) it can take days to fix them, my previous (small) company went a month without proper internet connection due to this, they fell back to using a LTE router temporary but they had to buy it themself it wasn't provided by the internet provider. A good point is that all the internet contracts tend include a land line phone number and tend to have "unlimited" data volume (which isn't always truly unlimited, but close enough to unlimited). Frequent stories include internet being so bad that it frequently is short term temporary(<15min) unavailable, randomly temporary super slow internet, or a supposedly 100Mb internet connection frequently slowing down to close to 1Mb causing video conferences to fail. And that is in the city. Outside of cities it's common to have insanely slow internet all the time to a point that people fall back to use LTE->WLAN routers, but then it's common to hear that the LTE is frequently overloaded around "rush hours" making people at the "outer ranges" of the closest LTE tower lose connection. The state of the German internet infrastructure is kinda a sad joke. Through I should note that things differ depending on the area of Germany you are in. Anyway the best thing I can buy (and get) in my area (in a relatively wealthy area of Berlin) is ~60Mb/10Mb connection which is somewhat reliable (fails 0-4 times every day for ~1-5min each, but it only happens between 2am and 6am, so ok, not a problem and at least one failure is probably the router). EDIT: Just to be clear the biggest joke are not the ISP's but the politicians which let themself be bribed not only to tolerate but actively support this situation. Through it's also incompetence not to long ago some politician responsible for making regulations in this area stated (and believed) that ???Kb (forgot the actual value but it was less then 1Mb) is high speed internet. It's sad if politician are stuck years in the past and are so arrogant and incompetent that educating them about their mistake is destined to fail.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    Don't despair. Hope is in the air! https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/600-000-anschluesse-bis-2025-telekom-will-berlin-zur-deutschen-glasfaser-hauptstadt-machen/26999496.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/600-000-anschluesse-bis-2... (giggle)
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/os8dw7/ja_dann_gibt_es_halt_keinen_breitbandausbau_f%C3%BCr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/os8dw7/ja_dann_gibt_es_...
  - pimeys 5y ago
    This spotty internet in Berlin is interesting. I have a Vodafone cable and I get 5 minute cuts to tje connection every now and then. Usually around 6pm to 8pm. Always five minutes, the modem blinks the lights and internet is back on. Every now and then it happens earlier and that really sucks when having a zoom meeting. I monitor my internet with Grafana and can provide stats for these problems for the past few years...
- qalmakka 5y ago
  In Italy a 1Gbps/200Mbps FTTH connection is around €25-30/mo, without any upfront setup cost. Some ISPs even gives out Fritzboxes as their free router, and even include a landline number with unlimited phone calls.
cuillevel3 5y ago
You don't live in a major city I guess? Most providers in Germany do offer 200-1000mbit downstream. IPv6 is also common. In case of DS-Lite you don't even get your own IPv4 anymore.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  Major city + wonky phone line means you can't even get 50 Mbps via DSL, and the landlord having a deal with some specific cable provider can cut off that avenue.
- DynamicStatic 5y ago
  Not that guy but similar problem, Berlin.

zahllos 5y ago

I only actually pay for 100Mbits symmetric. Quite a lot of VPSes only offer that anyway, even now. But yes it doesn't make sense for local wiring at all. 1Gbit-capable LAN cabling is cheap and ubiquitous. On the other hand it sounds like you have wired ethernet in your building... that's also quite unusual. Mine (70s) does not :)