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Recently there have been a few companies formally distancing themselves from Google, and doing so with a press release. Is there a reason why this is happening

Recently there have been a few companies formally distancing themselves from Google, and doing so with a press release. Is there a reason why this is happening now? To my knowledge, Google's basic nature has been known for quite a while, and people who care have lined up on different sides depending on their ideologies and self-interests. What has changed in the last 6 months that makes so many companies change their opinions about working with them? Is it just that public opinion has crossed some tipping point where it makes sense to gamble on a temporary revenue hit in order to be on the "right side"? That seems unlikely, just because I don't know a lot of people who weren't skeptical of Google a year ago who are now. Is it related to FLoC? That seems like a wonky issue that's under most people's radar. Is it the EU antitrust hearings? Also seems unlikely. Honest question: why now?

readflaggedcomm 5y ago
Google's pushing advertising clients away. Techdirt started this path by at least August when they reported on Google flagging their pages (third link in this story), and it took time for them to shop competitors who are really resellers. I would have guessed it would be most of their readers blocking easy-to-block ads, and the low payout, but it seems capricious policy enforcement is happening across Google and Youtube especially.
OrvalWintermute 5y ago
I'd dare say that the growth of DuckDuckGo, Apple, and a number of different VPN services are proving that consumers are highly interested in privacy and don't want to be tracked everywhere. This is also reenergizing the subscription vs ad revenue debate, particularly for big companies that have a vested interest, or, 30%, for pushing subscriptions.
hinkley 5y ago
There are several group dynamics I see in this. The one I think they want you to focus on is that typically nobody defects until someone high profile does. Then the floodgates open and everyone defects. Somebody has to go first, and sometimes several somebodies if the tribe is big enough. More cynical dynamic is virtue signaling, which can pretend to be the former.
srswtf123 5y ago
I think its as simple as this: people are fed up with FAANG; it seems like Congress might actually get off their asses and do something, and a few people smell blood-in-the-water. You know, the sort of thing that could potentially kick off a frenzy… as unlikely as that seems.
kmeisthax 5y ago
In order to understand this, we need to explain the "Adpocalypse" - a thing that happened to YouTubers and, more generally, online content publishers that sell ads through Google. More generally we need to talk about the changes that advertisers have made with respect to how they think about brand association. The way advertising companies used to treat online advertising a decade ago was that it didn't matter where your ads were placed, as long as they were going in front of people who were interested in them. That's why you had large ad exchanges with third-party tracking tools to build up behavioral profiles, because it was the best approach for linking advertisers and publishers. Publishers generally didn't care about who was advertising on their pages and advertisers generally didn't care about what pages their ads wound up on. This is, of course, a generality; there's always been picky advertisers and/or publishers, but the core point remains: the business worked because inventory was fungible. And then advertisers realized that their ads were showing up on videos of Klu Klux Klan rallies and other far-right nonsense. Well, they didn't so much realize, as much as they were publicly embarrassed when journalists started writing news stories about it. Consequently, you saw multiple waves of brands making a show of pulling all their advertising until exchanges implemented better controls for brand association and advertiser safety. Of course, this means that exchanges wound up over-enforcing ad safety, constantly harassing publishers that might be on the line. Journalistic outfits were unusually impacted, because their content is rarely advertiser friendly, even though they're not the right-wing nutters that started this mess. This problem isn't related to trying to keep right-wingers out of ad money, though. There's a sort of converse Adpocalypse that happened to publishers, called malvertising. This can take many forms - from fake popups for scam tech support companies, to just outright dropping a zero-day exploit on your victim. This causes reputational problems for publishers, since safe-browing services will flag your site (basically making it unusable without lots of scary warnings, and heavily punishing it in search engines) if it starts dropping drive-by downloads on users. So, advertisers are unhappy because of bad publishers, and publishers are unhappy because of bad advertisers. What about the users? Well, they're installing ad blockers in record numbers because they don't want to get hacked by malicious ads. Also, many of them aren't actual users; the online advertising business has had click fraud problems way before malvertising or brands getting cold feet over what content they're paired with. That's actually part and parcel of why online advertising is so tracking-heavy; it lets them detect the difference between an actual reader and someone just clicking on their own ads all day to defraud advertisers. Guess what? Users don't like ad tracking all that much either (especially when exchanges are so directly in-your-face about it.) In any fungible market, the presence of "bad" commodities drives out "good" ones. What you have now is a toxic market, one that Google more or less owns outright because everyone else has been driven out of business or acquired. Google isn't the cause of the toxicity, but they benefit from it regardless, since Search display advertising will remain brand- and user-safe in ways publisher advertising isn't. In this new market of TV-like, non-fungible advertising; Google is no longer a business partner. They are a hostile, dogged competitor paying them ever-shrinking table scraps.
teddyh 5y ago
I’m sure it’s not the only factor, but loading JavaScript from external domains (like from Google) changed from being good for caching – i.e. faster web pages – to being meaningless and usually slower: • https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-caching-across-sites-and-domains/ https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-ca... • https://wicki.io/posts/2020-11-goodbye-google-fonts/ https://wicki.io/posts/2020-11-goodbye-google-fonts/

readflaggedcomm 5y ago

Google's pushing advertising clients away. Techdirt started this path by at least August when they reported on Google flagging their pages (third link in this story), and it took time for them to shop competitors who are really resellers. I would have guessed it would be most of their readers blocking easy-to-block ads, and the low payout, but it seems capricious policy enforcement is happening across Google and Youtube especially.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

I'd dare say that the growth of DuckDuckGo, Apple, and a number of different VPN services are proving that consumers are highly interested in privacy and don't want to be tracked everywhere. This is also reenergizing the subscription vs ad revenue debate, particularly for big companies that have a vested interest, or, 30%, for pushing subscriptions.

hinkley 5y ago

There are several group dynamics I see in this. The one I think they want you to focus on is that typically nobody defects until someone high profile does. Then the floodgates open and everyone defects. Somebody has to go first, and sometimes several somebodies if the tribe is big enough. More cynical dynamic is virtue signaling, which can pretend to be the former.

srswtf123 5y ago

I think its as simple as this: people are fed up with FAANG; it seems like Congress might actually get off their asses and do something, and a few people smell blood-in-the-water. You know, the sort of thing that could potentially kick off a frenzy… as unlikely as that seems.

kmeisthax 5y ago

In order to understand this, we need to explain the "Adpocalypse" - a thing that happened to YouTubers and, more generally, online content publishers that sell ads through Google. More generally we need to talk about the changes that advertisers have made with respect to how they think about brand association. The way advertising companies used to treat online advertising a decade ago was that it didn't matter where your ads were placed, as long as they were going in front of people who were interested in them. That's why you had large ad exchanges with third-party tracking tools to build up behavioral profiles, because it was the best approach for linking advertisers and publishers. Publishers generally didn't care about who was advertising on their pages and advertisers generally didn't care about what pages their ads wound up on. This is, of course, a generality; there's always been picky advertisers and/or publishers, but the core point remains: the business worked because inventory was fungible. And then advertisers realized that their ads were showing up on videos of Klu Klux Klan rallies and other far-right nonsense. Well, they didn't so much realize, as much as they were publicly embarrassed when journalists started writing news stories about it. Consequently, you saw multiple waves of brands making a show of pulling all their advertising until exchanges implemented better controls for brand association and advertiser safety. Of course, this means that exchanges wound up over-enforcing ad safety, constantly harassing publishers that might be on the line. Journalistic outfits were unusually impacted, because their content is rarely advertiser friendly, even though they're not the right-wing nutters that started this mess. This problem isn't related to trying to keep right-wingers out of ad money, though. There's a sort of converse Adpocalypse that happened to publishers, called malvertising. This can take many forms - from fake popups for scam tech support companies, to just outright dropping a zero-day exploit on your victim. This causes reputational problems for publishers, since safe-browing services will flag your site (basically making it unusable without lots of scary warnings, and heavily punishing it in search engines) if it starts dropping drive-by downloads on users. So, advertisers are unhappy because of bad publishers, and publishers are unhappy because of bad advertisers. What about the users? Well, they're installing ad blockers in record numbers because they don't want to get hacked by malicious ads. Also, many of them aren't actual users; the online advertising business has had click fraud problems way before malvertising or brands getting cold feet over what content they're paired with. That's actually part and parcel of why online advertising is so tracking-heavy; it lets them detect the difference between an actual reader and someone just clicking on their own ads all day to defraud advertisers. Guess what? Users don't like ad tracking all that much either (especially when exchanges are so directly in-your-face about it.) In any fungible market, the presence of "bad" commodities drives out "good" ones. What you have now is a toxic market, one that Google more or less owns outright because everyone else has been driven out of business or acquired. Google isn't the cause of the toxicity, but they benefit from it regardless, since Search display advertising will remain brand- and user-safe in ways publisher advertising isn't. In this new market of TV-like, non-fungible advertising; Google is no longer a business partner. They are a hostile, dogged competitor paying them ever-shrinking table scraps.

teddyh 5y ago

I’m sure it’s not the only factor, but loading JavaScript from external domains (like from Google) changed from being good for caching – i.e. faster web pages – to being meaningless and usually slower: • https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-caching-across-sites-and-domains/ https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-ca... • https://wicki.io/posts/2020-11-goodbye-google-fonts/ https://wicki.io/posts/2020-11-goodbye-google-fonts/