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Having recently switched to iPhone I have been very surprised at finding my wifi and Bluetooth automatically turning on. There could be a better way, but I had

Having recently switched to iPhone I have been very surprised at finding my wifi and Bluetooth automatically turning on. There could be a better way, but I had to create a shortcut to disable connectivity until I manually turn it back on

markn951 5y ago
They're not automatically turning on if you're "turning them off" from Control Center. Those buttons just temporarily disable them (and state that clearly when you do so). The only way to actually turn off Wifi and Bluetooth is to go into Settings and turn them off there.
- MAGZine 5y ago
  "Clearly" it's not as clear as you think it is. On android, if I turn bluetooth off from the quick access menu, it stays off--which is what I expect.
  - marcellus23 5y ago
    Can't get much clearer than text that says "Disconnecting nearby wi-fi networks until tomorrow."
    - bkallus 5y ago
      But that same button used to be a permananent toggle, and now there is no way to restore the (better) old behavior. Another instance of Apple thinking they know better than their users.
      - marcellus23 5y ago
        You are not everyone. Just because you think it's better doesn't mean it actually is. Most of the time when I want to disconnect from Wifi, it's a temporary measure because the network I'm connected to is slow or dead. I imagine it's the same for many others. Apple is notoriously allergic to putting toggles for every little thing, and that shouldn't be a surprise to software developers. We all know every user-configurable setting increases complexity.
        mixmastamyk 5y ago
        If you want to have a disconnect button, add as another button choice to the panel. Even make it default. But the original button shouldn't have been broken with no recourse. Not to mention, some brief wordy nearby text display in tiny print after the fact, is the opposite of clear.
        howaboutnope 5y ago
        > We all know every user-configurable setting increases complexity. They can also mean the difference between a tool and a toy or even worse, a slave collar. One of the good practices in programming is to not hardcode things. Where that is followed, often the hardest part about configurability is the UI for it, since under the hood it's already determined by a bunch of variables anyway, and it's mostly a matter of exposing them nicely to the user. Besides, it's way more complex to have a timed toggle than just a toggle.
        marcellus23 5y ago
        > a slave collar for real? because you have to go into the Settings app to turn off wifi permanently? Sometimes you people are delusional.
        howaboutnope 5y ago
        "you people" -- you don't know the first thing about me. And this argument to excuse to treat adult consumers like infants, and use the people that don't mind as the measure all other adults have to reduce themselves to, is used for a lot more than just a wifi toggle.
      - chesc 5y ago
        +1
    - oauea 5y ago
      Does it say that text on the button before you press it? Do you have a screenshot?
      - deelowe 5y ago
        https://imgur.com/a/zk382Wl https://imgur.com/a/zk382Wl
      - asix66 5y ago
        It does indeed say, clearly, "Disconnecting Nearby Wi-Fi Until Tomorrow" [0] [0] https://ibb.co/kJ59LCN https://ibb.co/kJ59LCN
        mixmastamyk 5y ago
        That's afterward.
      - marcellus23 5y ago
        Does it matter if it's before or after? It's not a destructive action.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  It's different than Android, and different from itself pre-iOS13. It is a new behavior that cannot be toggled.
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  Also the BT is often turned on after an update. I know this because I’ve never ever used it, therefore never had it on purposely.
  - cygned 5y ago
    They do that in order to allow accessibility devices to connect for disabled users, I’ve been told.
- J253 5y ago
  This is one of the nice things about shortcuts. I created a shortcut that will turn off wifi and Bluetooth. You can then add an icon to your home screen to run the shortcut and boom. Both are actually turned off…not just disabled for 24 hours. I also have a shortcut to turn them back on when I need them.
snarf21 5y ago
As much as I prefer iOS to Android, this is my biggest pet peave. They way they are so aggressive with bluetooth and wifi is annoying. I hate that they don't even go through DHCP most of the time and just assume that last known IP is still available, all to "help it connect quicker". Just get your own IP because having to toggle wifi on multiple devices is way slower and annoying. I get that AirDrop and FindMy** and other features require these things to work but how about just giving a (one-time) warning when people turn them off. Most people will never turn them off ever so let the subset of us who want them off have it work in a sane way.
- da_chicken 5y ago
  > I hate that they don't even go through DHCP most of the time and just assume that last known IP is still available, all to "help it connect quicker". Oh, I forgot all about that. I worked at a K-12 that deployed Apple devices awhile back, and this behavior was a nightmare for network management. Especially for travelling teachers who would take their device to several different buildings throughout the day (and, therefore, different IP subnets with the same WiFi name). The worst part was that some of the devices would just... never emit a DHCPREQUEST. They'd either ignore the fact that there was an address collision confusing everyone else's ARP tables, or connect to the network but stick with an IP that had no route to a gateway. As I recall -- it's been awhile -- even setting the lease duration to something very low didn't seem to help. Indeed, I think that made it worse. It was bad enough at one point that we had those devices with the worst behavior set up with reserved IPs and a hidden WiFi network that was a district-wide VLAN with a single subnet.
fossuser 5y ago
If you turn it off via settings it stays off. The control center just disconnects for 24hrs.
- ThisIsTheWay 5y ago
  I know its a minor inconvenience, but this is one of my biggest pet peeves with the whole OS. I wish there was a way to change the setting to actually control things with control center...
  - mixmastamyk 5y ago
    Indeed, who even thought up such a misfeature? Much less made it default.
    - fossuser 5y ago
      It’s one of those features that is more annoying for you or me, but useful for 95% of (less technical) users. My guess is accidentally disabling those services via control center was a common issue. I’d rather it be the other way, but that’s probably why it’s not.
      - mixmastamyk 5y ago
        I don't understand why it would ever be useful. Either you want it on, or not. Imagine if your mute button decided to reset every now and then. Pause button, or flashlight? Basically nothing else works like that. In fact figuring out how to turn off wifi with the combination of Airplane mode and wifi button just about blows my mind every time I try. So complicated.
        fossuser 5y ago
        You're in a user bubble. Imagine you're not good at using computers. I've seen people accidentally turn on do not disturb and be unable to figure out why their phone isn't ringing so they think it's broken. We are in a small minority of 'power users' - iPhones have hundreds of millions (billions?) of users across the entire world.
nojito 5y ago
You can disable it from the settings app. The icon in the swipe up control center is for temporarily disconnecting it…which it literally tells you when you click it.
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billbrown 5y ago
If you long-press the icon in Control Center, it brings up a panel that allows you to turn Wifi and Bluetooth entirely. In general, try long-pressing everything: there's generally shortcuts or "power moves" afterwards.
- nofunsir 5y ago
  Are you sure? This is not the case in the latest iOS. Long-pressing the icons in Control Center offers a wider view and access to hotspot and airdrop settings. Pressing either WiFi or Bluetooth from this second menu has the same effect as the icons on the first page, (you can inspect settings afterwards and see it’s still “off until tomorrow”) and further long presses on the second page icons only let you choose which WiFi network or Bluetooth device to connect to.
  - billbrown 5y ago
    On my phone (iOS 14.6), the Wifi and BT say "New Wi-Fi network connections have been turned off from Control Center" after long press. But that _seems_ to be the same message as if I do the "until tomorrow" way. And the actual Wi-Fi and Bluetooth sliders are decidedly in the ON position. I must've concluded that since it didn't do the "until tomorrow" message then it behaved as I wanted. I stand corrected.

markn951 5y ago

They're not automatically turning on if you're "turning them off" from Control Center. Those buttons just temporarily disable them (and state that clearly when you do so). The only way to actually turn off Wifi and Bluetooth is to go into Settings and turn them off there.

MAGZine 5y ago
"Clearly" it's not as clear as you think it is. On android, if I turn bluetooth off from the quick access menu, it stays off--which is what I expect.
- marcellus23 5y ago
  Can't get much clearer than text that says "Disconnecting nearby wi-fi networks until tomorrow."
  - bkallus 5y ago
    But that same button used to be a permananent toggle, and now there is no way to restore the (better) old behavior. Another instance of Apple thinking they know better than their users.
    - marcellus23 5y ago
      You are not everyone. Just because you think it's better doesn't mean it actually is. Most of the time when I want to disconnect from Wifi, it's a temporary measure because the network I'm connected to is slow or dead. I imagine it's the same for many others. Apple is notoriously allergic to putting toggles for every little thing, and that shouldn't be a surprise to software developers. We all know every user-configurable setting increases complexity.
      - mixmastamyk 5y ago
        If you want to have a disconnect button, add as another button choice to the panel. Even make it default. But the original button shouldn't have been broken with no recourse. Not to mention, some brief wordy nearby text display in tiny print after the fact, is the opposite of clear.
      - howaboutnope 5y ago
        > We all know every user-configurable setting increases complexity. They can also mean the difference between a tool and a toy or even worse, a slave collar. One of the good practices in programming is to not hardcode things. Where that is followed, often the hardest part about configurability is the UI for it, since under the hood it's already determined by a bunch of variables anyway, and it's mostly a matter of exposing them nicely to the user. Besides, it's way more complex to have a timed toggle than just a toggle.
        marcellus23 5y ago
        > a slave collar for real? because you have to go into the Settings app to turn off wifi permanently? Sometimes you people are delusional.
        howaboutnope 5y ago
        "you people" -- you don't know the first thing about me. And this argument to excuse to treat adult consumers like infants, and use the people that don't mind as the measure all other adults have to reduce themselves to, is used for a lot more than just a wifi toggle.
    - chesc 5y ago
      +1
  - oauea 5y ago
    Does it say that text on the button before you press it? Do you have a screenshot?
    - deelowe 5y ago
      https://imgur.com/a/zk382Wl https://imgur.com/a/zk382Wl
    - asix66 5y ago
      It does indeed say, clearly, "Disconnecting Nearby Wi-Fi Until Tomorrow" [0] [0] https://ibb.co/kJ59LCN https://ibb.co/kJ59LCN
      - mixmastamyk 5y ago
        That's afterward.
    - marcellus23 5y ago
      Does it matter if it's before or after? It's not a destructive action.
unethical_ban 5y ago
It's different than Android, and different from itself pre-iOS13. It is a new behavior that cannot be toggled.
mixmastamyk 5y ago
Also the BT is often turned on after an update. I know this because I’ve never ever used it, therefore never had it on purposely.
- cygned 5y ago
  They do that in order to allow accessibility devices to connect for disabled users, I’ve been told.
J253 5y ago
This is one of the nice things about shortcuts. I created a shortcut that will turn off wifi and Bluetooth. You can then add an icon to your home screen to run the shortcut and boom. Both are actually turned off…not just disabled for 24 hours. I also have a shortcut to turn them back on when I need them.

snarf21 5y ago

As much as I prefer iOS to Android, this is my biggest pet peave. They way they are so aggressive with bluetooth and wifi is annoying. I hate that they don't even go through DHCP most of the time and just assume that last known IP is still available, all to "help it connect quicker". Just get your own IP because having to toggle wifi on multiple devices is way slower and annoying. I get that AirDrop and FindMy** and other features require these things to work but how about just giving a (one-time) warning when people turn them off. Most people will never turn them off ever so let the subset of us who want them off have it work in a sane way.

da_chicken 5y ago
> I hate that they don't even go through DHCP most of the time and just assume that last known IP is still available, all to "help it connect quicker". Oh, I forgot all about that. I worked at a K-12 that deployed Apple devices awhile back, and this behavior was a nightmare for network management. Especially for travelling teachers who would take their device to several different buildings throughout the day (and, therefore, different IP subnets with the same WiFi name). The worst part was that some of the devices would just... never emit a DHCPREQUEST. They'd either ignore the fact that there was an address collision confusing everyone else's ARP tables, or connect to the network but stick with an IP that had no route to a gateway. As I recall -- it's been awhile -- even setting the lease duration to something very low didn't seem to help. Indeed, I think that made it worse. It was bad enough at one point that we had those devices with the worst behavior set up with reserved IPs and a hidden WiFi network that was a district-wide VLAN with a single subnet.

fossuser 5y ago

If you turn it off via settings it stays off. The control center just disconnects for 24hrs.

ThisIsTheWay 5y ago
I know its a minor inconvenience, but this is one of my biggest pet peeves with the whole OS. I wish there was a way to change the setting to actually control things with control center...
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  Indeed, who even thought up such a misfeature? Much less made it default.
  - fossuser 5y ago
    It’s one of those features that is more annoying for you or me, but useful for 95% of (less technical) users. My guess is accidentally disabling those services via control center was a common issue. I’d rather it be the other way, but that’s probably why it’s not.
    - mixmastamyk 5y ago
      I don't understand why it would ever be useful. Either you want it on, or not. Imagine if your mute button decided to reset every now and then. Pause button, or flashlight? Basically nothing else works like that. In fact figuring out how to turn off wifi with the combination of Airplane mode and wifi button just about blows my mind every time I try. So complicated.
      - fossuser 5y ago
        You're in a user bubble. Imagine you're not good at using computers. I've seen people accidentally turn on do not disturb and be unable to figure out why their phone isn't ringing so they think it's broken. We are in a small minority of 'power users' - iPhones have hundreds of millions (billions?) of users across the entire world.

nojito 5y ago

You can disable it from the settings app. The icon in the swipe up control center is for temporarily disconnecting it…which it literally tells you when you click it.

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billbrown 5y ago

If you long-press the icon in Control Center, it brings up a panel that allows you to turn Wifi and Bluetooth entirely. In general, try long-pressing everything: there's generally shortcuts or "power moves" afterwards.

nofunsir 5y ago
Are you sure? This is not the case in the latest iOS. Long-pressing the icons in Control Center offers a wider view and access to hotspot and airdrop settings. Pressing either WiFi or Bluetooth from this second menu has the same effect as the icons on the first page, (you can inspect settings afterwards and see it’s still “off until tomorrow”) and further long presses on the second page icons only let you choose which WiFi network or Bluetooth device to connect to.
- billbrown 5y ago
  On my phone (iOS 14.6), the Wifi and BT say "New Wi-Fi network connections have been turned off from Control Center" after long press. But that _seems_ to be the same message as if I do the "until tomorrow" way. And the actual Wi-Fi and Bluetooth sliders are decidedly in the ON position. I must've concluded that since it didn't do the "until tomorrow" message then it behaved as I wanted. I stand corrected.