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Agreed. It’s very out of the norm on HN. On Reddit though, it’s the standard.

by brightball 5y ago

BEEdwards 5y ago
In the default subs sure, but if you're subscribed to those shitholes you get what you get.
- jolux 5y ago
  Every sub has its sacred cows that you can’t question. It just takes a while to figure them out sometimes.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  The default subs are really toxic, for sure, but it seems like the 'shithole threshold' is a sufficiently large subscriber count. Especially when the subreddit gets the attention of the admins and powermods get pulled in.
  - Akronymus 5y ago
    Or even small subs that are against the prevailing opinions of the plurality of the userbase of all of reddit. Those regularily get called out as "bad", "toxic" or "hateful". Or banned. Which actually is the reason I got rid of my reddit accounts.
f38zf5vdt 5y ago
Reddit and Twitter shows the endgame of online voting systems. I don't think HN is far off. In my ideal world I would be able to choose to _only_ view upvotes and downvotes from a subset of users I trust and ignore everything else (trust subset ranked filtering). I would also like the ability to turn off downvotes all together if I desired, or even just for some user subset. This is different from Facebook or YouTube recommendations in that I get to experience the same diverse amount of content, but things particularly interesting to people I trust will be indicated without censoring all the rest of the content.
- brightball 5y ago
  It’s probably not popular, but I always thought that Slashdot had the best voting system for comments or was at least on the right track.
  - dec0dedab0de 5y ago
    I used to think that, but /. comments devolved into dumb jokes around 2003-2005. Which I think is the main reason that hn down votes jokes so aggressively. I do like the meta-moderator system. however, without holding back mod points to begin with there is no incentive to do it.
    - Shish2k 5y ago
      I haven’t visited /. for years so maybe out of date, but IIRC this was largely helped by separating voting from type - so even if a comment gets a lot of upvotes for being funny, my personal settings of “ignore funny comments” means I still get a decently high-quality signal, which is something I’ve not seen anywhere else
    - smhenderson 5y ago
      I know why people don't like them and I get that you are correct that it got pretty absurd on /. around the time period you mentioned. But I miss the jokes sometimes. I have to resist the urge to reference Rob Malda when I'm reading HN occasionally.
      - cmdrtaco 5y ago
        No way, that guy is the best.
      - esyir 5y ago
        Good the main issue with jokes is they're the text equivalent of a Meme pic or "look what I did" type post. Easy to consume content with little actual meat. They attract upvotes easily when accepted because of that lack of substance. Without a culture that rejects them, they, by nature, rapidly overwhelm most communities in content if a voting system is present.

Agreed. It’s very out of the norm on HN. On Reddit though, it’s the standard.

BEEdwards 5y ago

In the default subs sure, but if you're subscribed to those shitholes you get what you get.

jolux 5y ago
Every sub has its sacred cows that you can’t question. It just takes a while to figure them out sometimes.
BitwiseFool 5y ago
The default subs are really toxic, for sure, but it seems like the 'shithole threshold' is a sufficiently large subscriber count. Especially when the subreddit gets the attention of the admins and powermods get pulled in.
- Akronymus 5y ago
  Or even small subs that are against the prevailing opinions of the plurality of the userbase of all of reddit. Those regularily get called out as "bad", "toxic" or "hateful". Or banned. Which actually is the reason I got rid of my reddit accounts.

f38zf5vdt 5y ago

Reddit and Twitter shows the endgame of online voting systems. I don't think HN is far off. In my ideal world I would be able to choose to _only_ view upvotes and downvotes from a subset of users I trust and ignore everything else (trust subset ranked filtering). I would also like the ability to turn off downvotes all together if I desired, or even just for some user subset. This is different from Facebook or YouTube recommendations in that I get to experience the same diverse amount of content, but things particularly interesting to people I trust will be indicated without censoring all the rest of the content.

brightball 5y ago
It’s probably not popular, but I always thought that Slashdot had the best voting system for comments or was at least on the right track.
- dec0dedab0de 5y ago
  I used to think that, but /. comments devolved into dumb jokes around 2003-2005. Which I think is the main reason that hn down votes jokes so aggressively. I do like the meta-moderator system. however, without holding back mod points to begin with there is no incentive to do it.
  - Shish2k 5y ago
    I haven’t visited /. for years so maybe out of date, but IIRC this was largely helped by separating voting from type - so even if a comment gets a lot of upvotes for being funny, my personal settings of “ignore funny comments” means I still get a decently high-quality signal, which is something I’ve not seen anywhere else
  - smhenderson 5y ago
    I know why people don't like them and I get that you are correct that it got pretty absurd on /. around the time period you mentioned. But I miss the jokes sometimes. I have to resist the urge to reference Rob Malda when I'm reading HN occasionally.
    - cmdrtaco 5y ago
      No way, that guy is the best.
    - esyir 5y ago
      Good the main issue with jokes is they're the text equivalent of a Meme pic or "look what I did" type post. Easy to consume content with little actual meat. They attract upvotes easily when accepted because of that lack of substance. Without a culture that rejects them, they, by nature, rapidly overwhelm most communities in content if a voting system is present.