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Meanwhile, you cannot get a €2.49/mo virtual server from Hetzner without an IPv4 address…

by metafunctor 5y ago

sparkling 5y ago
It looks like the Cloud machines are not affected by this price change?
- TimWolla 5y ago
  The pricing change is only about additional IP addresses for a single machine. Each machine will still come with one IPv4 included for "free": > Our dedicated root servers will continue to include one free main IP; there will be no change here.
  - metafunctor 5y ago
    Yep. A “dedicated root server”, though, is dedicated hardware. They start at about 30-40 €/mo. TFA does not mention cloud servers (virtual machines) at all. Virtual machines from Hetzner, however, always come with an IPv4 address. For security reasons, I’d much prefer to get them without one (I disable the interface and firewall it 100% anyway), but it’s not an option to get a virtual machine without the public IPv4 address. One would think they’d provide that option if they are already hitting commercial limits with the IPv4 address space.
    - TimWolla 5y ago
      > For security reasons, I’d much prefer to get them without one (I disable the interface and firewall it 100% anyway), but it’s not an option to get a virtual machine without the public IPv4 address. I agree and hopefully without leaking anything: This is also an request within their customer forum [1]. [1] https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/28220/&postID=277468#post277468 https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/28220/&postID=277...
      - fri_sch 5y ago
        You don't leak anything as the link doesn't seem to be accessible publicly (at least for me). But it also feels kind of strange to me, that they complain about IPv4 shortage while still handing them out with each VPS instance despite a lot of users actually don't need or even don't want to have them. There should be an option, or even a small fee for a public IPv4 on cloud servers.
        TimWolla 5y ago
        > You don't leak anything as the link doesn't seem to be accessible publicly (at least for me). Yes, the forum requires registration and is open for customers only. That's why I said that I hope I don't leak anything (by saying that this topic was discussed in their (private) forum).
        fri_sch 5y ago
        Sorry, got it now. As I am a customer I will get an account an have a look. Thanks!
    - noxvilleza 5y ago
      This (firewalling the IPv4) is actually a great idea, I never considered it before because I use their basic downtime metrics / alerts - but that could easily be pushed to IPv6 (or just another external service entirely).
- a254613e 5y ago
  They are. The cheapest server plans and ipv4 floating IPs are affected by this change. The FAQ only covers the root servers part though.
  - terom 5y ago
    Is there an announcement for this somewhere? The marketing page [1] still lists the same €2.49 + VAT /month price for the cheapest CX11. [1] https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=ot https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=ot
    - NmAmDa 5y ago
      They sent Email to all their customers about that. They raised prices. Product. Price per month / hour up until now Price per month / hour, effective 1 Sept 2021 CX11 2.49€ / 0.004€ 3.49€ / 0.0055€ CPX11 3.49€ / 0.006€ 3.99€ / 0.0065€
      - metafunctor 5y ago
        Indeed, just got that email 30 minutes ago. Apologies for any misinformation I may have pushed elsewhere in this thread. Still, it sucks to pay €1.00/mo for an IPv4 address I don’t want or use. Also, they should update the marketing site to clearly show the impending price change. Edit: they’ve updated the website.
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- noxvilleza 5y ago
  They are, just got a mail about it actually: https://i.imgur.com/m9z67mB.png https://i.imgur.com/m9z67mB.png (I have a few cloud and dedicated machines on Hetzner).
  - metafunctor 5y ago
    Yep, floating IPs are additional. One IPv4 address is still included (and non-optional) in, say, a CX11 cloud server.
NmAmDa 5y ago
They raised its price to €3.49. I got this in the samr email announcement today.
- metafunctor 5y ago
  Hmm, I can still create a CX11 server for €2.49. Maybe they are slowly rolling this change out? Edit: I’ve now received an email about the price update, and the marketing site pricing has been updated.

Meanwhile, you cannot get a €2.49/mo virtual server from Hetzner without an IPv4 address…

sparkling 5y ago

It looks like the Cloud machines are not affected by this price change?

TimWolla 5y ago
The pricing change is only about additional IP addresses for a single machine. Each machine will still come with one IPv4 included for "free": > Our dedicated root servers will continue to include one free main IP; there will be no change here.
- metafunctor 5y ago
  Yep. A “dedicated root server”, though, is dedicated hardware. They start at about 30-40 €/mo. TFA does not mention cloud servers (virtual machines) at all. Virtual machines from Hetzner, however, always come with an IPv4 address. For security reasons, I’d much prefer to get them without one (I disable the interface and firewall it 100% anyway), but it’s not an option to get a virtual machine without the public IPv4 address. One would think they’d provide that option if they are already hitting commercial limits with the IPv4 address space.
  - TimWolla 5y ago
    > For security reasons, I’d much prefer to get them without one (I disable the interface and firewall it 100% anyway), but it’s not an option to get a virtual machine without the public IPv4 address. I agree and hopefully without leaking anything: This is also an request within their customer forum [1]. [1] https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/28220/&postID=277468#post277468 https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/28220/&postID=277...
    - fri_sch 5y ago
      You don't leak anything as the link doesn't seem to be accessible publicly (at least for me). But it also feels kind of strange to me, that they complain about IPv4 shortage while still handing them out with each VPS instance despite a lot of users actually don't need or even don't want to have them. There should be an option, or even a small fee for a public IPv4 on cloud servers.
      - TimWolla 5y ago
        > You don't leak anything as the link doesn't seem to be accessible publicly (at least for me). Yes, the forum requires registration and is open for customers only. That's why I said that I hope I don't leak anything (by saying that this topic was discussed in their (private) forum).
        fri_sch 5y ago
        Sorry, got it now. As I am a customer I will get an account an have a look. Thanks!
  - noxvilleza 5y ago
    This (firewalling the IPv4) is actually a great idea, I never considered it before because I use their basic downtime metrics / alerts - but that could easily be pushed to IPv6 (or just another external service entirely).
a254613e 5y ago
They are. The cheapest server plans and ipv4 floating IPs are affected by this change. The FAQ only covers the root servers part though.
- terom 5y ago
  Is there an announcement for this somewhere? The marketing page [1] still lists the same €2.49 + VAT /month price for the cheapest CX11. [1] https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=ot https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=ot
  - NmAmDa 5y ago
    They sent Email to all their customers about that. They raised prices. Product. Price per month / hour up until now Price per month / hour, effective 1 Sept 2021 CX11 2.49€ / 0.004€ 3.49€ / 0.0055€ CPX11 3.49€ / 0.006€ 3.99€ / 0.0065€
    - metafunctor 5y ago
      Indeed, just got that email 30 minutes ago. Apologies for any misinformation I may have pushed elsewhere in this thread. Still, it sucks to pay €1.00/mo for an IPv4 address I don’t want or use. Also, they should update the marketing site to clearly show the impending price change. Edit: they’ve updated the website.
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noxvilleza 5y ago
They are, just got a mail about it actually: https://i.imgur.com/m9z67mB.png https://i.imgur.com/m9z67mB.png (I have a few cloud and dedicated machines on Hetzner).
- metafunctor 5y ago
  Yep, floating IPs are additional. One IPv4 address is still included (and non-optional) in, say, a CX11 cloud server.

NmAmDa 5y ago

They raised its price to €3.49. I got this in the samr email announcement today.

metafunctor 5y ago
Hmm, I can still create a CX11 server for €2.49. Maybe they are slowly rolling this change out? Edit: I’ve now received an email about the price update, and the marketing site pricing has been updated.