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At this point I was wondering if it would be reasonable to use ipv6 exclusively. I figured ipv6 addressing is reachable by most by now. That's until I tried to

At this point I was wondering if it would be reasonable to use ipv6 exclusively. I figured ipv6 addressing is reachable by most by now. That's until I tried to reach ipv6.google.com and it failed. So I answered my own question.

the8472 5y ago
Making hobby projects ipv6-only would be a start.
- lvncelot 5y ago
  Since I'm using Hetzner Cloud for my hobby cluster, this is as good a kick as any to start moving that stuff to ipv6. (Although there's no mention whether HCloud ipv4 pricing is actually affected by those changes)
  - kaliszad 5y ago
    You should still get an IPv4 address with the VM for free. But you can make sure you support IPv6 anyway for the day, when even the very first IPv4 will cost extra.
    - lvncelot 5y ago
      Yes I'm currently using floating IPs as ingress addresses, and I'll switch to IPv6 ones.
  - smasty 5y ago
    Hetzner Cloud is adjusting the price for new CX11 and CPX11 instances starting on 1st September. CX11 goes from 2,49€ to 3,49€ excl. VAT, CPX11 from 3,49€ to 3,99€. New Floating IPs will also cost more from 1st August - 3€ instead of 1€. This does not affect existing instances and existing floating IPs. Source: Received an email from Hetzner as a customer with the affected instances.
- cnst 5y ago
  I announced an OpenGrok-based search engine project on 2013-04-01, launching BXR.SU exclusively on IPv6 for the first few weeks of availability. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-April/042334.html https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-Apr... IPv4 was added a few weeks afterwards.
Tenoke 5y ago
My ISP had some sort of v4 outage where only v6 worked fine. That was really nice except that even services or games that supposedly work over v6 rely on v4 and are borderline unusable without it.
- kalleboo 5y ago
  Yeah I had some issue where my home router's NAT died so IPv4 broke, but IPv6 kept working. My wife said that Google, YouTube, Facebook etc work but nothing else does. It didn't take me long to realize what was happening.
kalleboo 5y ago
Even in the countries with the highest adoption, it's only around 50% https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...
- scratcheee 5y ago
  At the current rate (approximately linear over the last 10 years), in just 30 more years we'll have 100% adoption. Realistically adoption will slow down if nothing changes, everyone willing to put the effort in for zero immediate reward has already done so, and some will allow their support to degrade due to low usage. At some point I guess ipv4 availability will really start to collapse and adoption will speed up again. Not sure which will come first to be honest, but better if adoption is relatively high when the shit evebtually hits the fan, to avoid the temptation of insane NAT solutions.
  - mprovost 5y ago
    Adoption is already slowing down, by half in 2020 vs 2019. https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/08/ipv6-in-2020/ https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/08/ipv6-in-2020/
    - GolDDranks 5y ago
      I bet that at some point we'll have another inflection point, as the IPv4 prices soar and the IPv6 becomes commonplace enough for some (free/hobbyist-run?) services to say: "sorry, IPv6 only".
      - netr0ute 5y ago
        Why even pay for IPv4 addresses? Who says who gets to "use" them?
        ShrigmaMale 5y ago
        Markets generally are good for determining allocation of scarce resources. They push people with the ability to substitute to do that, in this case, use ipv6. Pay for ipv4 so nobody takes more than he needs. Imperfect but probably the least bad option, just waiting to get ipv6 over time hasnt worked so maybe scarcity and high prices do it.
cnst 5y ago
Google used to do DNS-based filtering of IPv6. ipv6.google.com works on my side, as does www.google.com over IPv6 just fine, too. I just checked all the FAANG websites, and it appears that www.amazon.com is the only one that doesn't have an IPv6 record.

the8472 5y ago

Making hobby projects ipv6-only would be a start.

lvncelot 5y ago
Since I'm using Hetzner Cloud for my hobby cluster, this is as good a kick as any to start moving that stuff to ipv6. (Although there's no mention whether HCloud ipv4 pricing is actually affected by those changes)
- kaliszad 5y ago
  You should still get an IPv4 address with the VM for free. But you can make sure you support IPv6 anyway for the day, when even the very first IPv4 will cost extra.
  - lvncelot 5y ago
    Yes I'm currently using floating IPs as ingress addresses, and I'll switch to IPv6 ones.
- smasty 5y ago
  Hetzner Cloud is adjusting the price for new CX11 and CPX11 instances starting on 1st September. CX11 goes from 2,49€ to 3,49€ excl. VAT, CPX11 from 3,49€ to 3,99€. New Floating IPs will also cost more from 1st August - 3€ instead of 1€. This does not affect existing instances and existing floating IPs. Source: Received an email from Hetzner as a customer with the affected instances.
cnst 5y ago
I announced an OpenGrok-based search engine project on 2013-04-01, launching BXR.SU exclusively on IPv6 for the first few weeks of availability. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-April/042334.html https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-Apr... IPv4 was added a few weeks afterwards.

Tenoke 5y ago

My ISP had some sort of v4 outage where only v6 worked fine. That was really nice except that even services or games that supposedly work over v6 rely on v4 and are borderline unusable without it.

kalleboo 5y ago
Yeah I had some issue where my home router's NAT died so IPv4 broke, but IPv6 kept working. My wife said that Google, YouTube, Facebook etc work but nothing else does. It didn't take me long to realize what was happening.

kalleboo 5y ago

Even in the countries with the highest adoption, it's only around 50% https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

scratcheee 5y ago
At the current rate (approximately linear over the last 10 years), in just 30 more years we'll have 100% adoption. Realistically adoption will slow down if nothing changes, everyone willing to put the effort in for zero immediate reward has already done so, and some will allow their support to degrade due to low usage. At some point I guess ipv4 availability will really start to collapse and adoption will speed up again. Not sure which will come first to be honest, but better if adoption is relatively high when the shit evebtually hits the fan, to avoid the temptation of insane NAT solutions.
- mprovost 5y ago
  Adoption is already slowing down, by half in 2020 vs 2019. https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/08/ipv6-in-2020/ https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/08/ipv6-in-2020/
  - GolDDranks 5y ago
    I bet that at some point we'll have another inflection point, as the IPv4 prices soar and the IPv6 becomes commonplace enough for some (free/hobbyist-run?) services to say: "sorry, IPv6 only".
    - netr0ute 5y ago
      Why even pay for IPv4 addresses? Who says who gets to "use" them?
      - ShrigmaMale 5y ago
        Markets generally are good for determining allocation of scarce resources. They push people with the ability to substitute to do that, in this case, use ipv6. Pay for ipv4 so nobody takes more than he needs. Imperfect but probably the least bad option, just waiting to get ipv6 over time hasnt worked so maybe scarcity and high prices do it.

cnst 5y ago

Google used to do DNS-based filtering of IPv6. ipv6.google.com works on my side, as does www.google.com over IPv6 just fine, too. I just checked all the FAANG websites, and it appears that www.amazon.com is the only one that doesn't have an IPv6 record.