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>> Hasn't it been common knowledge for over a decade now that self-hosting email isn't "allowed" in practical terms? For some time seemingly legit mail from Az

>> Hasn't it been common knowledge for over a decade now that self-hosting email isn't "allowed" in practical terms? For some time seemingly legit mail from Azure Cloud Services also got flagged by Gmail. If that was the case -- I thought -- what changes do I have for my own hosted or non-major email provider? That is when I decided I couldnt win as a small startup and just went the managed GSuite route for email hosting.

southerntofu 5y ago
> That is when I decided I couldnt win as a small startup and just went the managed GSuite route for email hosting. Do you realize people like you giving up is precisely why these evil corporations can get away with what they do? Together, we small providers are strong. But if some resistance fighters drop the struggle and join Dark Vader 's side, we are bound to loose. Maybe we should start a campaign. Give a one-year notice to those big email provider, in partnership with smaller email providers, saying they have one year to comply with email standards or we'll start boycotting and promoting alternatives as a federation of free/open email providers?
- corpdrone2021 5y ago
  We could start doing like the comment on OP does. Send a rejection notice with a link to some list of all the various blogs documenting how big providers refuse to follow the standards. > My other thought was to have my Postfix server reject all mail from Microsoft servers, with a message requesting the sender to use a different mail provider and pointing to this article.
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    I've often been tempted to do that. However, we would actively be hurting our own users who would be incapable to receive mails from such servers. We'd in fact be hurting the very principles of interoperability we're defending in the first place. Adding an auto-reply or an email footer mentioning that their providers actively hurts the email ecosystem and linking to alternatives would be a good compromise in my view. Along with a libre email provider federation, that could go a long way...

southerntofu 5y ago

> That is when I decided I couldnt win as a small startup and just went the managed GSuite route for email hosting. Do you realize people like you giving up is precisely why these evil corporations can get away with what they do? Together, we small providers are strong. But if some resistance fighters drop the struggle and join Dark Vader 's side, we are bound to loose. Maybe we should start a campaign. Give a one-year notice to those big email provider, in partnership with smaller email providers, saying they have one year to comply with email standards or we'll start boycotting and promoting alternatives as a federation of free/open email providers?

corpdrone2021 5y ago
We could start doing like the comment on OP does. Send a rejection notice with a link to some list of all the various blogs documenting how big providers refuse to follow the standards. > My other thought was to have my Postfix server reject all mail from Microsoft servers, with a message requesting the sender to use a different mail provider and pointing to this article.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  I've often been tempted to do that. However, we would actively be hurting our own users who would be incapable to receive mails from such servers. We'd in fact be hurting the very principles of interoperability we're defending in the first place. Adding an auto-reply or an email footer mentioning that their providers actively hurts the email ecosystem and linking to alternatives would be a good compromise in my view. Along with a libre email provider federation, that could go a long way...