that may be the case. in the U.S. (I'm from the U.S. it's stratified by age and income and race, by default. Dive bars, amazingly, are not) I've had a hard time

that may be the case. in the U.S. (I'm from the U.S. it's stratified by age and income and race, by default. Dive bars, amazingly, are not) I've had a hard time finding a casual space that didn't involve alcohol, where you can just sorta hang out and complain about stuff. dive bars are perfect for this. great conversation with folks from all kinds of backgrounds. coffee shops don't really cut it. there aren't that many spots to just, chat.