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Often they don't sell raw tobacco, they add quite a lot, https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/emerging/docs/scenihr_o_051.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/

by tudorw 5y ago

Often they don't sell raw tobacco, they add quite a lot, https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/emerging/docs/scenihr_o_051.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/emerging/d... First group (CMR properties in the unburnt form, sorted by content/frequency plus menthol, characterised by different pharmacological effects): • Titanium dioxide • Maltol • Diacetyl • Geraniol • Guaiacol • 2-furfural • Menthol Second group (giving rise to chemicals with CMR properties after combustion sorted by their content/frequency): • Cellulose • Sugars • Caramel colours • Natural extracts in decreasing ranking according to the NL list: guar gum, rum, fig extract, fenugreek, plum extract, carob bean extracts) Third group (the remaining additives in the priority list sorted by their content/frequency; additives falling in more than one category (in bold) were placed on top of the group) • Cocoa • Piperonal • Benzaldehyde/benzoic acid/sodium benzoate (Benzoic acid as representative) • Benzyl alcohol • Liquorice • Phenylacetic acid • Linalool • Humectants (Propylene glycol, Sorbitol, Glycerol; Propylene glycol can be taken as the representative one) • Vanillin • Aliphatic gamma-lactones (short chain length: octa-lactone; long chain length: undeca-lactone) • Weak organic acids (citrate can be used as representative compound) • Acetanisole • β-Damascone • Ammonium compounds https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lk37egfoiBoC&pg=PA495&lpg=PA495&dq=%22British+American+Tobacco%22+castoreum&source=bl&ots=Gj-gdcPRhX&sig=ACfU3U2KaG-o1iwr7vApbTj4GzqbHpSSyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihuPb8wIXyAhUknVwKHf0hCgcQ6AEwD3oECBsQAw#v=onepage&q=%22British%20American%20Tobacco%22%20castoreum&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lk37egfoiBoC&pg=PA495&lp...

peanut_worm 5y ago
The odd part is that if you smoke a cigarette with no additives, the difference is barely noticeable. I wonder why they feel the need to add so many additives for such a minuscule effect
- mandmandam 5y ago
  I noticed a number of differences myself: First, my smokers cough went from extremely bad to quite mild when I switched to raw tobacco. The smell also dissipated much quicker with raw; it didn't leave that mephitic ass-miasma like the chemical tobacco did. After smoking raw for a while, I could taste the difference. No joke. It's like quitting sugar; you taste it more after, and it's not exactly pleasant. In fact my sense of smell and taste improved overall. Finally, it was easier to quit from raw compared to chemical. Very subjective, but I stand by it. Tobacco companies are prohibited from advertising raw as in any way healthier, and I get that. But like, surely it's obvious that cancer stuff + more cancer stuff is worse than just cancer stuff. The fact that we don't have any numbers on this (at least that I could ever find) is highly suspicious to me; surely that would be something worth working on.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    I concure. Am down to 3 to 7 from 17 to 23 self rolled a day since maybe 15 years. Thin, long XXL filter, 6mm diameter. Should be two thirds of a commercial filter cigarette at most. Also with pauses of 3 to 5(sometimes even weeks) days without any, at all. I can live with that. The used papers play a big role also. I like them slow burning, but not slow like the transparent stuff one would use for a joint/reefer. Tried vaping. It's not the same.

by tudorw 5y ago

peanut_worm 5y ago

The odd part is that if you smoke a cigarette with no additives, the difference is barely noticeable. I wonder why they feel the need to add so many additives for such a minuscule effect

mandmandam 5y ago
I noticed a number of differences myself: First, my smokers cough went from extremely bad to quite mild when I switched to raw tobacco. The smell also dissipated much quicker with raw; it didn't leave that mephitic ass-miasma like the chemical tobacco did. After smoking raw for a while, I could taste the difference. No joke. It's like quitting sugar; you taste it more after, and it's not exactly pleasant. In fact my sense of smell and taste improved overall. Finally, it was easier to quit from raw compared to chemical. Very subjective, but I stand by it. Tobacco companies are prohibited from advertising raw as in any way healthier, and I get that. But like, surely it's obvious that cancer stuff + more cancer stuff is worse than just cancer stuff. The fact that we don't have any numbers on this (at least that I could ever find) is highly suspicious to me; surely that would be something worth working on.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  I concure. Am down to 3 to 7 from 17 to 23 self rolled a day since maybe 15 years. Thin, long XXL filter, 6mm diameter. Should be two thirds of a commercial filter cigarette at most. Also with pauses of 3 to 5(sometimes even weeks) days without any, at all. I can live with that. The used papers play a big role also. I like them slow burning, but not slow like the transparent stuff one would use for a joint/reefer. Tried vaping. It's not the same.