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While I do think that the stigmatisation of cannabis has to come to an end, I am very uncertain what a widespread adoption would mean to our society. I would ra

While I do think that the stigmatisation of cannabis has to come to an end, I am very uncertain what a widespread adoption would mean to our society. I would rather see students rage against an uncertain future as was the case in the 1968 instead of quiet acceptance due to the influence of cannabis. I am anxious it is a measure to keep the masses silent.

pmoriarty 5y ago
There was a ton of cannabis use throughout the 60's, and it was widely associated with mass protest back then. In fact, that was probably one of the main reasons it was made illegal. On the other hand, cannabis (like every other drug) does not necessarily lead people to think or act a certain way. A huge part of its effect depends on set and setting. The culture around cannabis use probably influences how people act on it much more than the drug itself.
bamboozled 5y ago
Why do you think taking drugs makes people complacent?
- vkou 5y ago
  Cannabis isn't exactly a stimulant. Have enough, and all you'll want to do is eat junk food and sit on the couch all day.
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    You are perpetuating a stereotype, loudly exclaiming ”this poster has no clue what they’re writing about”.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    "Cannabis isn't exactly a stimulant." I've read of psychological studies where people were told they were given THC while being told it was a stimulant, and the users reported stimulant effects and acted as if they were given a stimulant. The mind is a powerful thing.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      errr... I meant people were given THC while being told it was a stimulant...
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      It depends on the breed/sort, resulting in different proportions of the active components. Also the age, and resulting decay of these into other stuff. It all varies and is much more complex than a simple percentage of 10% THC, 5% CBD, and so on. That can be a vague guide, but not more. The non-sense marketing naming of strains doesn't help there, either.
  - mobilemidget 5y ago
    don't forget the falling asleep :)
    - eurasiantiger 5y ago
      One can wish.
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  - bamboozled 5y ago
    Sounds a bit like a bad stereotype no?
    - ogwh 5y ago
      If by bad you mean accurate.
      - bamboozled 5y ago
        I could give you a list of a lot of weed smokers who don't fit the profile, I think you're trolling though :)
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    BS! Depends on the sort of cannabis. And the metabolism/neuroarchitecture of the user also. I had weed that made me feel very well and relaxed, while being focused and productive, easily staying in 'flow'. Without munchies, anxiety, or hangover afterwards. Very well balanced. Problem is one does not know what sort from which source is like that. And if one finally knows, the availability of that stuff is maybe gone. Maybe it depends on what you eat and drink before? How about trying some 'adaptogenic' drink with it? Or simply pomegrenade juice? Or nice green tea? Mate? Guarana? edit: That even went so far that I had to consciously remind myself to at least eat something while being on it. Same for staying hydrated.
the-dude 5y ago
It has been freely available in NL for over three decades now. Maybe you are right : large protests against or for a wide range of issues were in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays, people don't really care as long as they can have their Latte Machiato and have a holiday in the Mediterranean twice a year.
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  NL is different because production is still criminalized. All Amsterdam coffee shops are selling criminally produced cannabis. I’m reasonably convinced that integrating organized crime into a community brings with it a lot more apathy than regular consumption of cannabis
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  Well, from what I've heard not that many Dutch people use cannabis -- most cannabis use in NL has historically been by drug tourists. On the other hand, NL has been exceptionally tolerant and liberal in almost all ways except for its anti-muslim xenophobia... so maybe cannabis use has had a mellowing effect?
- mustafa_pasi 5y ago
  The Dutch whose motto is, "just be normal"? Not a very complacent people?
  - the-dude 5y ago
    I have edited my comment, sorry about that.
  - xtiansimon 5y ago
    I’m American, and first heard this phrase at an event sponsored by the Dutch consulate general at SF MoMA maybe 20 years ago. I heard the version, makt das normal (Sorry if I didn’t conjugate ‘make’ properly). It was described to me as the go-to or default when you don’t know what to do. Translates to ‘do normal’. (Like Young MC’s ‘Bust a move’, haha). That seemed like good advice from a country with permissive drug policies. When things get crazy, do normal. I think of this when I see youth with full face piercings or whole body tattoos working normal retail jobs. Like they went crazy, and then did normal. Of course that’s just my imagination, but life is like that sometimes (whether you wear the scars on the inside or on the outside). When I look up the phrase today, web results show the imperative, ‘be normal’.
tudorw 5y ago
Given that historically the push for criminalization often had its root in a legal mechanism to pursue minority groups perhaps the opposite is true, I've had conversations with police and criminologists regarding the chilling effect on the reporting of crime due to victims being concerned about their personal drug use.
draw_down 5y ago
What was the result of 1968?
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OJFord 5y ago
I don't exactly stigmatise it, but I do think it smells disgusting (which I wouldn't say of cigarette smoke, some of which is worse than others, but none as bad as cannabis; nor pipe or cigar smoke, which I typically like) it also somehow seems to travel more? I have to shut my windows when my upstairs neighbour (flats) smokes, I can't stand it. Not really sure if I actually object to its legalisation or not, but I can't really think of anything legal (incl. bylaws for e.g. littering) that other people can do and unintentionally or even unavoidably impact others. Noise I suppose? As in really loud music, within your own home, but so loud it bothers the neighbours. I don't really think that's a good enough reason for it to be illegal. I'd at least like it not to be allowed in public spaces though, and I suppose particularly bad cases in private to be treatable like 'noise complaints' to police or council or whatever people do.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people ? :-) Don't fear the reefer! No, seriosly, it's FUD! edit: I mean, it can be, but it doesn't have to. It really depends on the sort/breed/age and so much more.

pmoriarty 5y ago

There was a ton of cannabis use throughout the 60's, and it was widely associated with mass protest back then. In fact, that was probably one of the main reasons it was made illegal. On the other hand, cannabis (like every other drug) does not necessarily lead people to think or act a certain way. A huge part of its effect depends on set and setting. The culture around cannabis use probably influences how people act on it much more than the drug itself.

bamboozled 5y ago

Why do you think taking drugs makes people complacent?

vkou 5y ago
Cannabis isn't exactly a stimulant. Have enough, and all you'll want to do is eat junk food and sit on the couch all day.
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  You are perpetuating a stereotype, loudly exclaiming ”this poster has no clue what they’re writing about”.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "Cannabis isn't exactly a stimulant." I've read of psychological studies where people were told they were given THC while being told it was a stimulant, and the users reported stimulant effects and acted as if they were given a stimulant. The mind is a powerful thing.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    errr... I meant people were given THC while being told it was a stimulant...
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    It depends on the breed/sort, resulting in different proportions of the active components. Also the age, and resulting decay of these into other stuff. It all varies and is much more complex than a simple percentage of 10% THC, 5% CBD, and so on. That can be a vague guide, but not more. The non-sense marketing naming of strains doesn't help there, either.
- mobilemidget 5y ago
  don't forget the falling asleep :)
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    One can wish.
- deleted 5y ago
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- bamboozled 5y ago
  Sounds a bit like a bad stereotype no?
  - ogwh 5y ago
    If by bad you mean accurate.
    - bamboozled 5y ago
      I could give you a list of a lot of weed smokers who don't fit the profile, I think you're trolling though :)
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  BS! Depends on the sort of cannabis. And the metabolism/neuroarchitecture of the user also. I had weed that made me feel very well and relaxed, while being focused and productive, easily staying in 'flow'. Without munchies, anxiety, or hangover afterwards. Very well balanced. Problem is one does not know what sort from which source is like that. And if one finally knows, the availability of that stuff is maybe gone. Maybe it depends on what you eat and drink before? How about trying some 'adaptogenic' drink with it? Or simply pomegrenade juice? Or nice green tea? Mate? Guarana? edit: That even went so far that I had to consciously remind myself to at least eat something while being on it. Same for staying hydrated.

the-dude 5y ago

It has been freely available in NL for over three decades now. Maybe you are right : large protests against or for a wide range of issues were in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays, people don't really care as long as they can have their Latte Machiato and have a holiday in the Mediterranean twice a year.

eurasiantiger 5y ago
NL is different because production is still criminalized. All Amsterdam coffee shops are selling criminally produced cannabis. I’m reasonably convinced that integrating organized crime into a community brings with it a lot more apathy than regular consumption of cannabis
pmoriarty 5y ago
Well, from what I've heard not that many Dutch people use cannabis -- most cannabis use in NL has historically been by drug tourists. On the other hand, NL has been exceptionally tolerant and liberal in almost all ways except for its anti-muslim xenophobia... so maybe cannabis use has had a mellowing effect?
mustafa_pasi 5y ago
The Dutch whose motto is, "just be normal"? Not a very complacent people?
- the-dude 5y ago
  I have edited my comment, sorry about that.
- xtiansimon 5y ago
  I’m American, and first heard this phrase at an event sponsored by the Dutch consulate general at SF MoMA maybe 20 years ago. I heard the version, makt das normal (Sorry if I didn’t conjugate ‘make’ properly). It was described to me as the go-to or default when you don’t know what to do. Translates to ‘do normal’. (Like Young MC’s ‘Bust a move’, haha). That seemed like good advice from a country with permissive drug policies. When things get crazy, do normal. I think of this when I see youth with full face piercings or whole body tattoos working normal retail jobs. Like they went crazy, and then did normal. Of course that’s just my imagination, but life is like that sometimes (whether you wear the scars on the inside or on the outside). When I look up the phrase today, web results show the imperative, ‘be normal’.

tudorw 5y ago

Given that historically the push for criminalization often had its root in a legal mechanism to pursue minority groups perhaps the opposite is true, I've had conversations with police and criminologists regarding the chilling effect on the reporting of crime due to victims being concerned about their personal drug use.

draw_down 5y ago

What was the result of 1968?

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OJFord 5y ago

I don't exactly stigmatise it, but I do think it smells disgusting (which I wouldn't say of cigarette smoke, some of which is worse than others, but none as bad as cannabis; nor pipe or cigar smoke, which I typically like) it also somehow seems to travel more? I have to shut my windows when my upstairs neighbour (flats) smokes, I can't stand it. Not really sure if I actually object to its legalisation or not, but I can't really think of anything legal (incl. bylaws for e.g. littering) that other people can do and unintentionally or even unavoidably impact others. Noise I suppose? As in really loud music, within your own home, but so loud it bothers the neighbours. I don't really think that's a good enough reason for it to be illegal. I'd at least like it not to be allowed in public spaces though, and I suppose particularly bad cases in private to be treatable like 'noise complaints' to police or council or whatever people do.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people ? :-) Don't fear the reefer! No, seriosly, it's FUD! edit: I mean, it can be, but it doesn't have to. It really depends on the sort/breed/age and so much more.