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While some may see this as a positive, I think it's of utmost importance to remember what this industry did to the world. They didn't just lie their way into m

While some may see this as a positive, I think it's of utmost importance to remember what this industry did to the world. They didn't just lie their way into massive profits at the cost of millions, and millions, and millions of lives. They developed systematic FUD that has since been adopted by such lovely people as the oil and pharma industries. I want them kept well the fuck away from cannabis. There's no need for them and their horror. Basically anyone can grow a cannabis plant, it's not like tobacco. Why trust these people to get involved in any way whatsoever. Get them and their blood money the fuck off the planet. Let's remember that they are still advertising to children in parts of the world, among other atrocities.

pmoriarty 5y ago
"anyone can grow a cannabis plant" But most people probably don't want to any more than they want to grow anything else they consume. Most people just want convenience, and a professionally made (and marketed) product. They go for the brands and packaging of commercially made cannabis. A minority of users will grow their own, but it's very unlikely the majority ever will. That said, I agree we don't need the tobacco industry (or any other large corporation) getting in to selling cannabis. But they probably will no matter what we think. Ideally users would form cooperatives and the cooperative would grow enough to share among their members for free. But that's probably not going to happen on a large scale. Second best is a commercial market made up of local businesses, while keeping big corporations (including big tobacco) out. But that's probably not going to happen either. For good or ill, big corps (including big tobacco) are going to be part of the cannabis market for the foreseeable future.
- mandmandam 5y ago
  You raise some valid points. All the more reason to remind people exactly how evil those companies are, regularly and loudly. I'll say this though: I don't think tobacco companies would win in a fair fight, and I don't think they have any intention of fighting on level ground. They will bribe lawmakers, try to bring in regulation that cuts out private / small growers, and quite possibly do worse. They might add chemicals to enhance addictive qualities, they might shortcut steps and mask the results with chemicals, etc etc.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Hmm. If some very basic conditions are met, they more or less grow by themselves. Like crazy. The complicated thing is the right harvest/drying. Besides that I like how they look and smell, and would have no trouble to integrate them into my other plants. Even without smoking them! :-)
throwawayyyyyqw 5y ago
Yes, they are literal cancer.
dagw 5y ago
Agreed. One of my big fears with legalized weed (or drugs in general) is seeing global tobacco and drug companies putting billion dollar marketing campaigns behind trying to get more people addicted to said drugs. We've seen the damage these companies can do with just nicotine, now just imagine the damage they can do with a much bigger pallet of drugs to play with.
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  On the contrary, they do more damage by claiming it’s nicotine that does the damage! They claim it is the nicotine that drives addiction and physical harm, but it is not nicotine doing it — rather, it is heterocyclic aromatic amines and other psychoactives acting as monoamine oxidase inhibitors.

pmoriarty 5y ago

"anyone can grow a cannabis plant" But most people probably don't want to any more than they want to grow anything else they consume. Most people just want convenience, and a professionally made (and marketed) product. They go for the brands and packaging of commercially made cannabis. A minority of users will grow their own, but it's very unlikely the majority ever will. That said, I agree we don't need the tobacco industry (or any other large corporation) getting in to selling cannabis. But they probably will no matter what we think. Ideally users would form cooperatives and the cooperative would grow enough to share among their members for free. But that's probably not going to happen on a large scale. Second best is a commercial market made up of local businesses, while keeping big corporations (including big tobacco) out. But that's probably not going to happen either. For good or ill, big corps (including big tobacco) are going to be part of the cannabis market for the foreseeable future.

mandmandam 5y ago
You raise some valid points. All the more reason to remind people exactly how evil those companies are, regularly and loudly. I'll say this though: I don't think tobacco companies would win in a fair fight, and I don't think they have any intention of fighting on level ground. They will bribe lawmakers, try to bring in regulation that cuts out private / small growers, and quite possibly do worse. They might add chemicals to enhance addictive qualities, they might shortcut steps and mask the results with chemicals, etc etc.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Hmm. If some very basic conditions are met, they more or less grow by themselves. Like crazy. The complicated thing is the right harvest/drying. Besides that I like how they look and smell, and would have no trouble to integrate them into my other plants. Even without smoking them! :-)

throwawayyyyyqw 5y ago

Yes, they are literal cancer.

dagw 5y ago

Agreed. One of my big fears with legalized weed (or drugs in general) is seeing global tobacco and drug companies putting billion dollar marketing campaigns behind trying to get more people addicted to said drugs. We've seen the damage these companies can do with just nicotine, now just imagine the damage they can do with a much bigger pallet of drugs to play with.

eurasiantiger 5y ago
On the contrary, they do more damage by claiming it’s nicotine that does the damage! They claim it is the nicotine that drives addiction and physical harm, but it is not nicotine doing it — rather, it is heterocyclic aromatic amines and other psychoactives acting as monoamine oxidase inhibitors.