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Despite all the outrage, there is also this: "As far as I know, emails from my business custmers are branded, formatted following best practices, have unsubscr

Despite all the outrage, there is also this: "As far as I know, emails from my business custmers are branded, formatted following best practices, have unsubscribe links and a valid contact footer." In other words, his customers are sending out the type of emails that actually require unsubscribe links. You know, _spam_. So maybe it isn't Microsoft who is the bad guy here?

anfogoat 5y ago
Microsoft is telling this guy they received the email for delivery and then silently dropped it. If you're not going to deliver an email you either inform the sender or shutdown your mail servers and remove your MX. > Despite all the outrage Hah! Please, there's hardly any. Certainly nowhere close the outrage this deserves.
- agent327 5y ago
  Oh please. It was the commercial spammers that destroyed email as a useful communication medium. Not sending all sorts of useless notifications is just another defence mechanism against those a*holes. Once in a while I still get an undeliverable notification for Chinese spam; they just configured my personal email as their return address, and some stupid mail server decided to tell me it couldn't accept the email. Great job guys, now you're spamming innocent bystanders! So yes, telling people that their spam-load was accepted, and then just not delivering it, seems perfectly fine to me. It's a tough world out there, and it was made that way by precisely the kind of people that need "unsubscribe" links in their emails to begin with. I feel no sympathy for him. These days communication uses web forms, Teams, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, or any other electronic mechanism that isn't email. They are all regulated by their respective owners, so they have a slightly better chance of surviving the onslaught of the advertisers. Email works fine for contact with friends and family, but not for spam, and that's how it should be.
  - account42 5y ago
    Backscatter spam only happens with a misconfigured email service. If you are not going to deliver the mail, reply with an error during submission, don't send a automatic notification email to the return address.
MomoXenosaga 5y ago
Yes where I live you have to specifically opt in for email communication. I use Outlook and the few companies who still pull this shit off end up in the spam box courtesy of machine learning. If MS is making life worse for businesses they have my support.

anfogoat 5y ago

Microsoft is telling this guy they received the email for delivery and then silently dropped it. If you're not going to deliver an email you either inform the sender or shutdown your mail servers and remove your MX. > Despite all the outrage Hah! Please, there's hardly any. Certainly nowhere close the outrage this deserves.

agent327 5y ago
Oh please. It was the commercial spammers that destroyed email as a useful communication medium. Not sending all sorts of useless notifications is just another defence mechanism against those a*holes. Once in a while I still get an undeliverable notification for Chinese spam; they just configured my personal email as their return address, and some stupid mail server decided to tell me it couldn't accept the email. Great job guys, now you're spamming innocent bystanders! So yes, telling people that their spam-load was accepted, and then just not delivering it, seems perfectly fine to me. It's a tough world out there, and it was made that way by precisely the kind of people that need "unsubscribe" links in their emails to begin with. I feel no sympathy for him. These days communication uses web forms, Teams, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, or any other electronic mechanism that isn't email. They are all regulated by their respective owners, so they have a slightly better chance of surviving the onslaught of the advertisers. Email works fine for contact with friends and family, but not for spam, and that's how it should be.
- account42 5y ago
  Backscatter spam only happens with a misconfigured email service. If you are not going to deliver the mail, reply with an error during submission, don't send a automatic notification email to the return address.

MomoXenosaga 5y ago

Yes where I live you have to specifically opt in for email communication. I use Outlook and the few companies who still pull this shit off end up in the spam box courtesy of machine learning. If MS is making life worse for businesses they have my support.