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At a minimum, at least this is ideologically consistent with wanting to ban bitcoin, since both consume approximately the same order of magnitude of energy.

Synaesthesia 5y ago
Yes but gaming PC's are far more useful
- chroem- 5y ago
  Are they? With cryptocurrencies I can at least conduct commerce. With gaming PCs, I can... play violent videogames?
  - dageshi 5y ago
    yes, the violent video games are fun, life is also about having fun.
  - xgbi 5y ago
    You can create an entire VFX short film with an high end pc. You can simulate fluid mechanics and invent a new revolutionary propulsion system for aircrafts with an high end Pc. You can train a NN to recognize perilous situation from webcam footage and distribute the weights freely on GitHub With a HPC. There are Miriam of things you can do with a powerful computer. This law is stupid, a single EV recharge consumes 100x more than a HPC every single second.
    - chroem- 5y ago
      Do the majority of gaming PC owners spend most of their time doing those tasks though? I think if the answer were yes, we would be discussing VFX and ML workstations, not "gaming" PCs. If we can legislate less environmentally harmful ways of doing commerce, why can't we legislate less environmentally harmful forms of entertainment? This is simply the logical conclusion of that line of reasoning.
      - smolder 5y ago
        Workstation hardware can be used for desktop gaming and any PC can be used for workstation tasks. There's no good reason to treat them differently under the law when the specifics of how they're different are very arbitrary.
        chroem- 5y ago
        They're marketed as gaming PCs. Why shouldn't they be regulated according to their intended purpose?
        smolder 5y ago
        Marketing is marketing, any PCs intended purpose is whatever the owner chooses to use it for. I play games on a xeon machine with ECC sometimes. The distinctions between workstations and "gaming" PCs are arbitrary and superficial and no one should be misled into thinking otherwise.
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    You can play peaceful games too.
  - pedroma 5y ago
    Playing violent video games makes me less violent. I would imagine me being less violent could be beneficial to myself and others. Though whether violent video games do the same for others is debatable. I would imagine kids that are exposed to violent video games at an early age may not understand it initially. It's very possible they will emulate it. But continuous exposure to it will help a smart kid understand and control it.
  - Bancakes 5y ago
    Shorting a market is not commerce but thanks for LARPing.
    - chroem- 5y ago
      Destroying the environment to promote violence and toxic masculinity isn't entertainment.
      - Bancakes 5y ago
        Videogames don't promote violence or toxic masculinity in any way. It's just pixels on a screen you click buttons to. You're overthinking.
        chroem- 5y ago
        I couldn't disagree more. There are clear links between gaming violence and far right terrorism: all of the white incel mass shooters have been avid gamers. These games are practically training camps for right wing terrorists.
        Bancakes 5y ago
        I'm just gonna assume you're being sarcastic for the sake of shitposting.
therouwboat 5y ago
>after July 1, 2021, the kWh per year limit becomes 50, 60, and 75. RTX 3080 consumes 250W when mining, so it would hit those limits in 10 days?
- chroem- 5y ago
  There are a lot more gamers than there are bitcoin miners, so it ends up balancing out: https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-playstation-cloud-gaming-environment-nightmare/ https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-playstation-cloud-gaming-en... https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/11/video-games-electricity-carbon-footprint/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/11/video-games-... We need to ban gaming if we want to solve the climate emergency.
  - therouwboat 5y ago
    That motherjones article says pc gaming consumes 75 TWh per year while just bitcoin is estimated to use 120 TWh. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952
    - chroem- 5y ago
      Less than a factor of two difference is "approximately the same order of magnitude", as I originally stated.
  - smolder 5y ago
    Yes and we should also ban televisions and automobiles and espresso machines and loud music and nighttime lighting and virtual reality and air conditioning a room to below 74 degrees.

Synaesthesia 5y ago

Yes but gaming PC's are far more useful

chroem- 5y ago
Are they? With cryptocurrencies I can at least conduct commerce. With gaming PCs, I can... play violent videogames?
- dageshi 5y ago
  yes, the violent video games are fun, life is also about having fun.
- xgbi 5y ago
  You can create an entire VFX short film with an high end pc. You can simulate fluid mechanics and invent a new revolutionary propulsion system for aircrafts with an high end Pc. You can train a NN to recognize perilous situation from webcam footage and distribute the weights freely on GitHub With a HPC. There are Miriam of things you can do with a powerful computer. This law is stupid, a single EV recharge consumes 100x more than a HPC every single second.
  - chroem- 5y ago
    Do the majority of gaming PC owners spend most of their time doing those tasks though? I think if the answer were yes, we would be discussing VFX and ML workstations, not "gaming" PCs. If we can legislate less environmentally harmful ways of doing commerce, why can't we legislate less environmentally harmful forms of entertainment? This is simply the logical conclusion of that line of reasoning.
    - smolder 5y ago
      Workstation hardware can be used for desktop gaming and any PC can be used for workstation tasks. There's no good reason to treat them differently under the law when the specifics of how they're different are very arbitrary.
      - chroem- 5y ago
        They're marketed as gaming PCs. Why shouldn't they be regulated according to their intended purpose?
        smolder 5y ago
        Marketing is marketing, any PCs intended purpose is whatever the owner chooses to use it for. I play games on a xeon machine with ECC sometimes. The distinctions between workstations and "gaming" PCs are arbitrary and superficial and no one should be misled into thinking otherwise.
- speedgoose 5y ago
  You can play peaceful games too.
- pedroma 5y ago
  Playing violent video games makes me less violent. I would imagine me being less violent could be beneficial to myself and others. Though whether violent video games do the same for others is debatable. I would imagine kids that are exposed to violent video games at an early age may not understand it initially. It's very possible they will emulate it. But continuous exposure to it will help a smart kid understand and control it.
- Bancakes 5y ago
  Shorting a market is not commerce but thanks for LARPing.
  - chroem- 5y ago
    Destroying the environment to promote violence and toxic masculinity isn't entertainment.
    - Bancakes 5y ago
      Videogames don't promote violence or toxic masculinity in any way. It's just pixels on a screen you click buttons to. You're overthinking.
      - chroem- 5y ago
        I couldn't disagree more. There are clear links between gaming violence and far right terrorism: all of the white incel mass shooters have been avid gamers. These games are practically training camps for right wing terrorists.
        Bancakes 5y ago
        I'm just gonna assume you're being sarcastic for the sake of shitposting.

therouwboat 5y ago

>after July 1, 2021, the kWh per year limit becomes 50, 60, and 75. RTX 3080 consumes 250W when mining, so it would hit those limits in 10 days?

chroem- 5y ago
There are a lot more gamers than there are bitcoin miners, so it ends up balancing out: https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-playstation-cloud-gaming-environment-nightmare/ https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-playstation-cloud-gaming-en... https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/11/video-games-electricity-carbon-footprint/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/11/video-games-... We need to ban gaming if we want to solve the climate emergency.
- therouwboat 5y ago
  That motherjones article says pc gaming consumes 75 TWh per year while just bitcoin is estimated to use 120 TWh. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952
  - chroem- 5y ago
    Less than a factor of two difference is "approximately the same order of magnitude", as I originally stated.
- smolder 5y ago
  Yes and we should also ban televisions and automobiles and espresso machines and loud music and nighttime lighting and virtual reality and air conditioning a room to below 74 degrees.