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In this specific instance the consumer is being done a favor by being prevented from buying terrible prebuilts, but the law is absurd.

colordrops 5y ago
What's wrong with the prebuilts? Price vs performance?
- arc-in-space 5y ago
  Price vs... price. You can nearly always build a more suitable PC for cheaper(potentially with the extra steps of paying someone to build it for you). Though recently I've heard of a distortion where apparently due to high GPU prices, some prebuilds' value was more fair.
- paavohtl 5y ago
  That, but also: - Low quality parts - Bad build quality - Incompatible & proprietary motherboards, coolers and power supplies - Bizarre part choices, like severely underpowered cooling and power delivery or using just 1 stick of RAM when 2 sticks would be significantly faster with about the same amount of money - Windows installation filled with unwanted software and/or outright malware, like McAfee, which can have a double-digit % effect on game performance. - The purchase process can involve dark patterns, like cleverly hidden support contracts with a monthly fee The PC hardware channel Gamers Nexus has been reviewing prebuilt systems for past few months [1]. None of the reviewed computers have been great, and the ones from big manufacturers (namely Dell and Alienware) have been the worst of the bunch. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsuVSmND84QuM2HKzG7ipbIbE_R5EnCLM https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsuVSmND84QuM2HKzG7ip...
- hellotomyrars 5y ago
  You pay more for less than if you did it yourself and it isn't hard to find where they've cut corners to lower their costs. But also critically the people buying pre-builts are obviously not interested in doing it themselves. That is why the market exists, right? So like its fun for more serious people to dunk on them in Youtube videos or whatever but I think its something pretty overblown. Also if you're really willing to spend some money, there are plenty of Boutique vendors (Falcon Northwest) that will gladly sell you a capable and well-built computer.
  - frostburg 5y ago
    Not everyone needs to build their own desktop, but those specific prebuilts aren't desiderable even compared to other prebuilts.
- frostburg 5y ago
  They're worse in general than self-building, but those specific ones have serious cooling issues.
neatze 5y ago
Whats is wrong with dell gaming desktops ?
- frostburg 5y ago
  Dell likes using proprietary parts (motherboard, psu, case etc.) that restrict upgrades. Also they tend to be overpriced, to have bad cooling performance and build quality.

colordrops 5y ago

What's wrong with the prebuilts? Price vs performance?

arc-in-space 5y ago
Price vs... price. You can nearly always build a more suitable PC for cheaper(potentially with the extra steps of paying someone to build it for you). Though recently I've heard of a distortion where apparently due to high GPU prices, some prebuilds' value was more fair.
paavohtl 5y ago
That, but also: - Low quality parts - Bad build quality - Incompatible & proprietary motherboards, coolers and power supplies - Bizarre part choices, like severely underpowered cooling and power delivery or using just 1 stick of RAM when 2 sticks would be significantly faster with about the same amount of money - Windows installation filled with unwanted software and/or outright malware, like McAfee, which can have a double-digit % effect on game performance. - The purchase process can involve dark patterns, like cleverly hidden support contracts with a monthly fee The PC hardware channel Gamers Nexus has been reviewing prebuilt systems for past few months [1]. None of the reviewed computers have been great, and the ones from big manufacturers (namely Dell and Alienware) have been the worst of the bunch. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsuVSmND84QuM2HKzG7ipbIbE_R5EnCLM https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsuVSmND84QuM2HKzG7ip...
hellotomyrars 5y ago
You pay more for less than if you did it yourself and it isn't hard to find where they've cut corners to lower their costs. But also critically the people buying pre-builts are obviously not interested in doing it themselves. That is why the market exists, right? So like its fun for more serious people to dunk on them in Youtube videos or whatever but I think its something pretty overblown. Also if you're really willing to spend some money, there are plenty of Boutique vendors (Falcon Northwest) that will gladly sell you a capable and well-built computer.
- frostburg 5y ago
  Not everyone needs to build their own desktop, but those specific prebuilts aren't desiderable even compared to other prebuilts.
frostburg 5y ago
They're worse in general than self-building, but those specific ones have serious cooling issues.

neatze 5y ago

Whats is wrong with dell gaming desktops ?

frostburg 5y ago
Dell likes using proprietary parts (motherboard, psu, case etc.) that restrict upgrades. Also they tend to be overpriced, to have bad cooling performance and build quality.