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If you need to go through a boot camp to be able to use it, why not just learn to code?

by whall6 5y ago

encryptluks2 5y ago
That is how I often feel about cloud providers like AWS. If you have to invest most of your time in becoming an AWS pro in order use it correctly, why not just learn how to build out a cloud using open standards.. at least that way you actually learned something useful, and not just a vendor solution that serves little purpose outside of its locked-in ecosystem.
- ironmagma 5y ago
  I think there are network effect benefits to having a few standards. Much as I detest vendor lock-in, it is helpful to have an existing pattern such that you can find and hire people who already know it. Right now there exist quite a few proprietary no-code platforms, but I suspect a possibly open standard will emerge, analogous to OpenStack versus AWS, or at least a few “winning” platforms.
- jonas21 5y ago
  This comment is right on the line where I can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.
- redisman 5y ago
  Can you really compare these two without completely ignoring reality? With Bubble you can do some limited MVPs. With AWS you can deploy services to billions of people.
  - dmix 5y ago
    And AWS has a ton of crossover knowledge with using any open source operating system (not even just limited to servers but using Linux desktops) and plenty of other deployment systems both hosted and self hosted. So your expertise is much more easily transferred in or out of AWS. Making the lockin argument less persuasive. Compared to learning the complex interface of one app like Bubble for building ‘no code’ apps which only has some value to some junior programmers looking for basic expression of ideas to get them motivated and/or some limited mental analogies to the real work of programming.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    > With AWS you can deploy services to billions of people. Yeah for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. You can do the same for free or a fraction of the price with other services (Cloudflare, etc).
ekianjo 5y ago
Because it's proprietary and it's hip right now? I agree with the comment, sounds like a pure waste of time.

If you need to go through a boot camp to be able to use it, why not just learn to code?

by whall6 5y ago

If you need to go through a boot camp to be able to use it, why not just learn to code?

That is how I often feel about cloud providers like AWS. If you have to invest most of your time in becoming an AWS pro in order use it correctly, why not just learn how to build out a cloud using open standards.. at least that way you actually learned something useful, and not just a vendor solution that serves little purpose outside of its locked-in ecosystem.

ironmagma 5y ago
I think there are network effect benefits to having a few standards. Much as I detest vendor lock-in, it is helpful to have an existing pattern such that you can find and hire people who already know it. Right now there exist quite a few proprietary no-code platforms, but I suspect a possibly open standard will emerge, analogous to OpenStack versus AWS, or at least a few “winning” platforms.
jonas21 5y ago
This comment is right on the line where I can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.
redisman 5y ago
Can you really compare these two without completely ignoring reality? With Bubble you can do some limited MVPs. With AWS you can deploy services to billions of people.
- dmix 5y ago
  And AWS has a ton of crossover knowledge with using any open source operating system (not even just limited to servers but using Linux desktops) and plenty of other deployment systems both hosted and self hosted. So your expertise is much more easily transferred in or out of AWS. Making the lockin argument less persuasive. Compared to learning the complex interface of one app like Bubble for building ‘no code’ apps which only has some value to some junior programmers looking for basic expression of ideas to get them motivated and/or some limited mental analogies to the real work of programming.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  > With AWS you can deploy services to billions of people. Yeah for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. You can do the same for free or a fraction of the price with other services (Cloudflare, etc).

ekianjo 5y ago

Because it's proprietary and it's hip right now? I agree with the comment, sounds like a pure waste of time.