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> Which is also a false translation (and thus a strawman) of what I said. The vast majority were treated quite damn well. I copied and pasted exactly what you
by void_mint 5y ago
> Which is also a false translation (and thus a strawman) of what I said. The vast majority were treated quite damn well.
I copied and pasted exactly what you wrote.
> I did some Googling here and found that in 2013, 0.9% of all military members reported sexual assault. I don't know how that compares to civilian life, and I'll just toss this out there, I bet this varies A TON by military branch, and I will leave it at that
If you care to educate yourself, in another post I made in this thread I referenced the actual data on sexual abuse in the military. The dramatic majority goes unreported, and the cases that do get reported face retaliation from superiors. It’s a toxic cesspit.
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> Sexual assault in the United States armed forces is an ongoing issue which has received extensive media coverage in the past. A 2012 Pentagon survey found that approximately 26,000 women and men were sexually assaulted that year; of those, only 3,374 cases were reported.[1] In 2013, a new Pentagon report found that 5,061 troops reported cases of assault. Some are optimistic that this increase in reports is indicative of victims "growing more comfortable in the system".[2] Of the reported cases, only 484 cases went to trial; 376 resulted in convictions.[3] Another investigation found that one in five women in the United States Air Force who were sexually assaulted by service members reported it, for one in 15 men.[4]
20% of women reported.
> A survey for the Department of Defense conducted in 2015 found that in the past year 52% of active service members who reported sexual assault had experienced retaliation in the form of professional, social, and administrative actions or punishments.[5] In addition to retaliation against soldiers remaining in active service, many former service members who reported sexual assaults were forced to leave after being discharged. Reasons for discharge included having a "personality disorder" or engaging in misconduct related to the sexual assault such as fraternization or (prior to the end of don't ask, don't tell) homosexuality, even if the homosexual conduct was non-consensual.[6]
52% of active service members who reported experienced retaliation. 52%. Getting discharged for homosexuality as a result of _non consensual_ homosexual contact. Tell me again about all that integrity and respect in the military.
> You sound like a person who would never make it in the military.
I don’t care, truly at all, if you think I’d make it in the military. I criticized an obviously disgusting group (that you’re a part of), and you’re making a judgement of my character out of adversarialism.
- pmarreck 5y ago> I copied and pasted exactly what you wrote. And then misparaphrased it with a crystal clear bias. > I criticized an obviously disgusting group (that you’re a part of) and you’re making a judgement of my character out of adversarialism. Ah yes. Adversarialism, after you make a blanket statement like that is totally surprising, lol. The fact is that the chance of sexual assault in the military is low, and reporting of it is improving, and the exact number of incidents cannot be known, only speculated on. But apparently, if 2% of Muslims become suicide bombers, all Muslims are bad, according to you; and if most rapists are men, then all men are assholes, according to your reasoning; unfortunately that is what I'll generously call "illogic"; you can speak to countless military members who had good experiences, but if a few women (and a handful of men) got fucked over, then I guess the whole system is fucked, eh? Good luck applying that to society at large (which, by the way, is IMPROVING along with the military). Making approval depend on perfection (instead of consistent improvement) is the enemy of good, once again
- void_mint 5y ago> Ah yes. Adversarialism, after you make a blanket statement like that is totally surprising, lol. Skips the whole post. > The fact is that the chance of sexual assault in the military is low Where did you get the "low" figure from? I wouldn't call it low at all. I would call it insanely high. > But apparently, if 2% of Muslims become suicide bombers, all Muslims are bad, You're saying a lot of very ridiculous things. If an institution condones sexual abuse, it is fair to point it out. > Good luck applying that to society at large (which, by the way, is IMPROVING along with the military). I guess it all depends on how you look at it (meaning, if you choose to throw your hands up and say "it's going great!" without actually paying attention). > Making approval depend on perfection (instead of consistent improvement) is the enemy of good, once again Who brought up perfection? I'm saying it's an absolute shitshow, for which there is data to corroborate. You're saying "no it's improving", based on legitimately 0 data at all.