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Great journalism at work here! So - the expectation is that people with symptoms of Covid19 would be tested before being hospitalized? I am actually impressed t

Great journalism at work here! So - the expectation is that people with symptoms of Covid19 would be tested before being hospitalized? I am actually impressed that 44% were. It would be standard operating procedure for an hospital receiving a patient showing symptoms to give a test. In fact 88% received the test results within two days of hospitalization. I am still waiting for an explanation of ICU occupancy [0] if it wasn't for Covid 19. [0] https://www.statista.com/chart/23746/icu-bed-occupancy-rates-in-us-hospital-areas/ https://www.statista.com/chart/23746/icu-bed-occupancy-rates...

dm319 5y ago
As someone who works in the NHS, I would also like to know. My trust has hit full capacity yesterday for the second time in two weeks. Another trust I work for had full ITU capacity and has had to cancel elective surgery. According to more senior clinical staff the hospital is full of genuinely sick people.
- native_samples 5y ago
  But that's inevitable. The NHS runs at close to capacity in normal times, but there has been a period of over a year now when people were being told to avoid going to hospital, to stay isolated at home, when doctors were not seeing patients. I am actually more surprised that you are surprised. The NHS has collapsed: waiting lists are now so long there is no way they will ever drain except by people simply dying due to lack of treatment. You should expect all hospitals to be completely full from this point on, as a natural consequence of lockdowns (ironically, the thing the lockdowns were supposed to avoid).
  - dm319 5y ago
    I don't think it is off topic for me to say that your comment is arrogant with statements that are either incorrect or make a lot of assumptions. Maybe throw in a bit of schadenfreude in too. I think the style of discourse here colours the discussion, and your comment is a statement rather than a discussion. I certainly saw patients over the past year - at no point did I stop. My patients were grateful that the hospital steered away from a dysfunctional breakdown, which allowed us to keep running our day unit and ward to treat our cancer patients. There were a couple of points where local hospitals became overwhelmed, and the diversion to our hospital threatened to overwhelm us as well. I would say the lockdowns allowed us to treat our patients during this last year. The certainty in your belief that the lockdown has resulted in hospitals being full (?forever) makes several assumptions. There are other explanations, and my personal hunch is it is something to do with spread of infectious diseases with social restriction easing.
bilvar 5y ago
The problem is, even if they were asymptomatic and released from hospital e.g for their broken leg, they would still go in statistics as "This person was hospitalised for COVID-19".
- fabbari 5y ago
  You didn't read the article, did you now? The numbers say - according to the article itself - that of the patients hospitalized and diagnosed with Covid 44% had a positive test before being admitted - 43% had a positive test within 2 days and the remaining 13% tested positive within 2 weeks [they don't mention the distribution]. What I find repulsive about this article is that they never say 'someone with a broken leg was counted as a Covid case after the mandatory testing' - they just dance around it, make innuendos and let third parties dance closer to it. Nowhere in the article they state 'asymptomatic cases with an other unrelated diagnosis were counted as Covid cases' - and I am guessing they don't because the don't have the numbers to prove it. A real journalist would track down the cases - would try and find the 'I went in with a broken leg and was released with a Covid diagnosis', get the discharging papers and write about it. Now: if there were really so many cases of people hospitalized with a different diagnosis and attributed to Covid to 'jack up the numbers' - where are they? Where are the articles about it? Until you have these, please: go back to your little green field to play with your friends - the adults are trying to have a conversation here.
  - bilvar 5y ago
    Adults do not throw tantrums. Maybe you should take your own advice.

dm319 5y ago

As someone who works in the NHS, I would also like to know. My trust has hit full capacity yesterday for the second time in two weeks. Another trust I work for had full ITU capacity and has had to cancel elective surgery. According to more senior clinical staff the hospital is full of genuinely sick people.

native_samples 5y ago
But that's inevitable. The NHS runs at close to capacity in normal times, but there has been a period of over a year now when people were being told to avoid going to hospital, to stay isolated at home, when doctors were not seeing patients. I am actually more surprised that you are surprised. The NHS has collapsed: waiting lists are now so long there is no way they will ever drain except by people simply dying due to lack of treatment. You should expect all hospitals to be completely full from this point on, as a natural consequence of lockdowns (ironically, the thing the lockdowns were supposed to avoid).
- dm319 5y ago
  I don't think it is off topic for me to say that your comment is arrogant with statements that are either incorrect or make a lot of assumptions. Maybe throw in a bit of schadenfreude in too. I think the style of discourse here colours the discussion, and your comment is a statement rather than a discussion. I certainly saw patients over the past year - at no point did I stop. My patients were grateful that the hospital steered away from a dysfunctional breakdown, which allowed us to keep running our day unit and ward to treat our cancer patients. There were a couple of points where local hospitals became overwhelmed, and the diversion to our hospital threatened to overwhelm us as well. I would say the lockdowns allowed us to treat our patients during this last year. The certainty in your belief that the lockdown has resulted in hospitals being full (?forever) makes several assumptions. There are other explanations, and my personal hunch is it is something to do with spread of infectious diseases with social restriction easing.

bilvar 5y ago

The problem is, even if they were asymptomatic and released from hospital e.g for their broken leg, they would still go in statistics as "This person was hospitalised for COVID-19".

fabbari 5y ago
You didn't read the article, did you now? The numbers say - according to the article itself - that of the patients hospitalized and diagnosed with Covid 44% had a positive test before being admitted - 43% had a positive test within 2 days and the remaining 13% tested positive within 2 weeks [they don't mention the distribution]. What I find repulsive about this article is that they never say 'someone with a broken leg was counted as a Covid case after the mandatory testing' - they just dance around it, make innuendos and let third parties dance closer to it. Nowhere in the article they state 'asymptomatic cases with an other unrelated diagnosis were counted as Covid cases' - and I am guessing they don't because the don't have the numbers to prove it. A real journalist would track down the cases - would try and find the 'I went in with a broken leg and was released with a Covid diagnosis', get the discharging papers and write about it. Now: if there were really so many cases of people hospitalized with a different diagnosis and attributed to Covid to 'jack up the numbers' - where are they? Where are the articles about it? Until you have these, please: go back to your little green field to play with your friends - the adults are trying to have a conversation here.
- bilvar 5y ago
  Adults do not throw tantrums. Maybe you should take your own advice.