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Never threaten a Clinton (I anticipate downvotes.. and they'll be reinforcing my position that they're off-limits)

Falling3 5y ago
So if your comment were heavily upvoted you would've reconsidered your position? Or will any outcome whatsoever just reinforce your existing ideas?
- hereforphone 5y ago
  What are my existing ideas?
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    Your post was, "Never threaten a Clinton (I anticipate downvotes.. and they'll be reinforcing my position that they're off-limits)". Your position, AKA existing ideas, are "Never threaten a Clinton", and "they're off-limits", implying that they have special and unfair power/treatment in the political and legal world, but specifically with regards to the specific outcome of the specific case of Shkreli. The parent's criticism was in regards to your attitude on downvotes, which makes sense independent of whether your position is justified or true.
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cool_dude85 5y ago
What's more likely - Chelsea's hacker news goon squad is here to brigade you, or nobody is interested in reheated Rush Limbaugh mid 90s slop?
- hereforphone 5y ago
  Are you aware of the drama between Shkreli and Hillary that I was referring to?
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    The fact of a thing doesn't imply causality, and if causality is evident in this case, it still doesn't provide a license for glib sarcasm.
    - hereforphone 5y ago
      Do you believe glib sarcasm should require a license?
      - BitwiseFool 5y ago
        Only in the United Kingdom.
anoonmoose 5y ago
I, like many people, downvote anything that says something of the nature "I anticipate downvotes", lest you think I downvoted for political reasons
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Indeed. It's the purest form of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
- Joeboy 5y ago
  I think "I anticipate downvotes" is fine. "If you downvote me I will lean harder into my position" is basically blackmail (admittedly lame and ineffective blackmail), which is why I downvoted it.
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    I'm a little more strict, and draw the line at pretty much any extraneous assertion that your audience is going to disagree with you. E.g. "Controversial opinion: ...", "The HN crowd will downvote me, but ...", etc. It's an unnecessary injection of negativity, pettily frames one's self as the underdog, and provokes by implying that the people you're addressing are wrong before they've even replied to you. Obviously the internet is largely not a place to give crowds the benefit of the doubt, but it's critical for places with a shred of the expectation of real discussion, like HN.
nprz 5y ago
This is getting downvotes, but it is true Shkreli got his bail revoked for offering $5000 for every strand of hair collected from HRC.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  You use the word "but", which implies some kind of inverse relationship between your clauses, but I don't see anything to indicate that.
- gota 5y ago
  If putting a bounty to harass a person is not a crime it absolutely should be IMHO The day he started that he should be put in jail regardless of being on bail
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    >"offering $5000 for every strand of hair collected from HRC" Am I alone in seeing this as an act of a sophomoric troll rather than an actual bounty put on someone?
    - Joeboy 5y ago
      I wouldn't disagree with the former interpretation, but publicly offering thousands of dollars for something carries a real risk somebody will take you up on the offer.
      - BitwiseFool 5y ago
        It's strange because I think if the same $5000/hair offering were made for an average person it would be much more serious. But in my mind someone who is so prominent and guarded by the Secret Service is in virtually no danger from such an outlandish thing. But I do understand how someone would see it the other way and not be comfortable with the risk at all.
    - happytoexplain 5y ago

So if your comment were heavily upvoted you would've reconsidered your position? Or will any outcome whatsoever just reinforce your existing ideas?

hereforphone 5y ago
What are my existing ideas?
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Your post was, "Never threaten a Clinton (I anticipate downvotes.. and they'll be reinforcing my position that they're off-limits)". Your position, AKA existing ideas, are "Never threaten a Clinton", and "they're off-limits", implying that they have special and unfair power/treatment in the political and legal world, but specifically with regards to the specific outcome of the specific case of Shkreli. The parent's criticism was in regards to your attitude on downvotes, which makes sense independent of whether your position is justified or true.

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cool_dude85 5y ago

What's more likely - Chelsea's hacker news goon squad is here to brigade you, or nobody is interested in reheated Rush Limbaugh mid 90s slop?

hereforphone 5y ago
Are you aware of the drama between Shkreli and Hillary that I was referring to?
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  The fact of a thing doesn't imply causality, and if causality is evident in this case, it still doesn't provide a license for glib sarcasm.
  - hereforphone 5y ago
    Do you believe glib sarcasm should require a license?
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      Only in the United Kingdom.

anoonmoose 5y ago

I, like many people, downvote anything that says something of the nature "I anticipate downvotes", lest you think I downvoted for political reasons

happytoexplain 5y ago
Indeed. It's the purest form of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
Joeboy 5y ago
I think "I anticipate downvotes" is fine. "If you downvote me I will lean harder into my position" is basically blackmail (admittedly lame and ineffective blackmail), which is why I downvoted it.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  I'm a little more strict, and draw the line at pretty much any extraneous assertion that your audience is going to disagree with you. E.g. "Controversial opinion: ...", "The HN crowd will downvote me, but ...", etc. It's an unnecessary injection of negativity, pettily frames one's self as the underdog, and provokes by implying that the people you're addressing are wrong before they've even replied to you. Obviously the internet is largely not a place to give crowds the benefit of the doubt, but it's critical for places with a shred of the expectation of real discussion, like HN.

nprz 5y ago

This is getting downvotes, but it is true Shkreli got his bail revoked for offering $5000 for every strand of hair collected from HRC.

happytoexplain 5y ago
You use the word "but", which implies some kind of inverse relationship between your clauses, but I don't see anything to indicate that.
gota 5y ago
If putting a bounty to harass a person is not a crime it absolutely should be IMHO The day he started that he should be put in jail regardless of being on bail
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >"offering $5000 for every strand of hair collected from HRC" Am I alone in seeing this as an act of a sophomoric troll rather than an actual bounty put on someone?
  - Joeboy 5y ago
    I wouldn't disagree with the former interpretation, but publicly offering thousands of dollars for something carries a real risk somebody will take you up on the offer.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      It's strange because I think if the same $5000/hair offering were made for an average person it would be much more serious. But in my mind someone who is so prominent and guarded by the Secret Service is in virtually no danger from such an outlandish thing. But I do understand how someone would see it the other way and not be comfortable with the risk at all.
  - happytoexplain 5y ago