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Please don't conflate "white men" with these assholes. I'm so tired of being blamed for the behavior of folks with the same genitalia/skin color as me.

soverycool 5y ago
It's acceptable racism for this person to say something so abhorrent.
- madamelic 5y ago
  I mean, I could've probably left "white" out and it would've been just as accurate. I do apologize for my "shoot from the hip" and should've been less specific about "white men" vs "men". I can't be totally sure of a racist undertone in tech since I am white. I don't know _for sure_ if PoC men feel the same discrimination.
  - soverycool 5y ago
    Yes, I know you're full of sexist, racist opinions you want to share with us all.
t-writescode 5y ago
I believe the common response here to this sort of comment is "yes, not all men, but too many men", and that it's the responsibility of men to call out the men they see being that kind of deplorable on their actions, to reduce the frequency of those men.
- ballenf 5y ago
  It still feels so strange to me to criticize an entire race or gender lump for a perceived trait of that group (here, the trait of not calling out sexism enough).
- ahtihn 5y ago
  Yeah no, it's not the responsibility of men that do nothing wrong to call out other men. If you said that it's the respinsibility of all black people to call out black criminals for their bad behavior, you'd rightfully get called a racist. I don't see how this is different.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  But that's a patently sexist retort. Peter and Sue are equally responsible for Ron's abhorrent behavior.
- RHSeeger 5y ago
  Shaming all men for what a (bad) subset of men do is sexist. Shaming all white men for what a (bad) subset of white men do is sexist and racist. Shaming all black men because some black men are criminals is racist. Highlighting that the (good) majority should call out the (bad) minority is reasonable. Blaming the whole is not. It's true regardless of the target race, or sex, or gender, etc.
  - pengstrom 5y ago
    "Men" is both a social and biological differentiator. They are the only ones with power to stop this if they want to. We can play philosophy but reality is what it is. Sexism continues because men look the other way, not because women endure it.
    - oceanghost 5y ago
      Your view is completely toxic and you're a fool, a racist and a sexist. As a white male-- I have no more control over society than anyone else. I have absolutely no power over these power structures that oppress us all.
- oceanghost 5y ago
  I know you're agreeing with me, so I'm not trying to bust your balls here, but I have a weird thought experiment about a real life scenario. I have a friend whose white, a trans woman, and who worked at Blizzard for 10 years, but was a man during that time. I swear I'm not making this up. Assuming she did none of the actual harassing, how responsible is she now as a white trans woman, for the culture at Blizzard?

soverycool 5y ago

It's acceptable racism for this person to say something so abhorrent.

madamelic 5y ago
I mean, I could've probably left "white" out and it would've been just as accurate. I do apologize for my "shoot from the hip" and should've been less specific about "white men" vs "men". I can't be totally sure of a racist undertone in tech since I am white. I don't know _for sure_ if PoC men feel the same discrimination.
- soverycool 5y ago
  Yes, I know you're full of sexist, racist opinions you want to share with us all.

t-writescode 5y ago

I believe the common response here to this sort of comment is "yes, not all men, but too many men", and that it's the responsibility of men to call out the men they see being that kind of deplorable on their actions, to reduce the frequency of those men.

ballenf 5y ago
It still feels so strange to me to criticize an entire race or gender lump for a perceived trait of that group (here, the trait of not calling out sexism enough).
ahtihn 5y ago
Yeah no, it's not the responsibility of men that do nothing wrong to call out other men. If you said that it's the respinsibility of all black people to call out black criminals for their bad behavior, you'd rightfully get called a racist. I don't see how this is different.
throwaway894345 5y ago
But that's a patently sexist retort. Peter and Sue are equally responsible for Ron's abhorrent behavior.
RHSeeger 5y ago
Shaming all men for what a (bad) subset of men do is sexist. Shaming all white men for what a (bad) subset of white men do is sexist and racist. Shaming all black men because some black men are criminals is racist. Highlighting that the (good) majority should call out the (bad) minority is reasonable. Blaming the whole is not. It's true regardless of the target race, or sex, or gender, etc.
- pengstrom 5y ago
  "Men" is both a social and biological differentiator. They are the only ones with power to stop this if they want to. We can play philosophy but reality is what it is. Sexism continues because men look the other way, not because women endure it.
  - oceanghost 5y ago
    Your view is completely toxic and you're a fool, a racist and a sexist. As a white male-- I have no more control over society than anyone else. I have absolutely no power over these power structures that oppress us all.
oceanghost 5y ago
I know you're agreeing with me, so I'm not trying to bust your balls here, but I have a weird thought experiment about a real life scenario. I have a friend whose white, a trans woman, and who worked at Blizzard for 10 years, but was a man during that time. I swear I'm not making this up. Assuming she did none of the actual harassing, how responsible is she now as a white trans woman, for the culture at Blizzard?