not a fresh insight James Hague would know this as he was the second replier to van Roy in the thread you cite. Freshness of the insight is hardly the point.

not a fresh insight James Hague would know this as he was the second replier to van Roy in the thread you cite. Freshness of the insight is hardly the point. I'm glad you posted it, though. It's a good discussion. I particularly agree with this formulation of van Roy's: It is the overall simplicity of the system that counts, not whether it is written in a functional or stateful style. Using true state in the right places makes the system simpler overall.