On more state externalized to the cloud - Kubernetes is the logical choice. To do that, you need to match dev/prod parity, and you need to have service abstract

On more state externalized to the cloud - Kubernetes is the logical choice. To do that, you need to match dev/prod parity, and you need to have service abstractions so you can easily swap out components. For more declarative systems - Kubernetes gets us close. We've seen that systems that are "too declarative" like Bazel are too cumbersome for developers to do. What developers need in an environment is just declarative enough to diff - which Kubernetes provides for infra, and tools like skaffold provide for applications.