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Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

75 points by sebwi 5y ago

happppy 5y ago
we are doomed!!
- jneumann004 5y ago
  The worst part is that we've known we were doomed for over a hundred years.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - go_elmo 5y ago
    steadily confirms my hypothesis that humanity is "too stupid" to stop this, we will destroy ourselves like yeast producing too high alcohol concentrations. Evolution just didn't had to optimize for this, making us "stupid" as a society / species. Of course it starts now, but there is just too little time - the differential equation tipped too fast. Might also be the solution to the great filter: Once optimization for the hard problem of "supremacy" / massive expansion is solved, there is too little time to optimize for self-regulation. There sure are possibilities to solve this, but require huge amounts of luck, e.g. discovering clean & especially cheaply salable energy sources quickly enough, adding another tiny coefficient to the drake equation
    - FalconSensei 5y ago
      > e.g. discovering clean & especially cheaply salable energy sources quickly enough In our case, it's also a matter of actually using what we discover vs continue using petroleum
      - go_elmo 5y ago
        Yes, thats what I would count under behavioral / "stupidity", but if we had a source that is cheaper than petroleum already, e.g. SMR fusion we would automatically stop using fossils
    - samstave 5y ago
      I like the theory that Humanity is more like a fungus / parasite.... However, whats super interesting to watch unfold is that as we hit this "peak climate" phase - all the other things that are happening around it, FN UAP/UFO sightings and semi-disclosure is unprecedented... and clearly they have some sort of zero-point or better energy capabilities... and just the general shift (albeit slowly) in global awareness on a myriad of matters... While there is a subtle subtext of Dread in the zeitgeist, I still feel optimistic... aside from the overall global oligarch-parasite-class, which I hope we figure out a solution to... I'm still waiting for silicon valley to "make the world a better place" - each time I attempt to contribute to that, it kind of backfires on me... hopefully I can change that.
      - go_elmo 5y ago
        True, the capabilities & behavior of humanity will only really show when it gets "hard". If civilization & economy can hold up long enough to make massive efforts to recapture it could work. Im more realistic & think big powers will start to geoingineer to fight the symptoms while everything gets worse, but lets see & work for the best...
        samstave 5y ago
        Totally agree with this sentiment... the Geo-engineering is in full swing... I do find the DEWs intriguing, as the footage of them sparking off fires in CA are pretty compelling, but not entirely believable.... I find the massive floodings in Germany, Belgium and also China to be very interesting... It was already stated many times regarding the chinese using weather modification to create effectively what we referred to as "acid rain" in the 1980s - in an effort to sequester particulate pollution in some cities -- there are several possibilities: 1. Freak 10,000-year flooding 2. Weather warfare via HAARP or such 3. Weather modification fuckup gone awry (or intentional) 4. We broke the weather system some time ago and weather modification and technologies such as HAARP are being used in a failed attempt to fix the weather system. (I love this science fiction take on it, personally)
        go_elmo 5y ago
- earthtolazlo 5y ago
  That seems like a reasonable assessment of the situation. I don’t know what it is with HN and absurd contrarian takes.
Proven 5y ago
My air-conditioning is in great shape - I'm ready!
Leader2light 5y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/ https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/ If you know, you know.
meemo 5y ago
If the situation is this bad now, how bad is it going to be in ten years? Ugh.
- newt_slowly 5y ago
  Ten years? Just think of 60 years from now, a time that would be expected to be within the natural lifespan of children born today. I don't know how people don't understand that we face, without exaggeration, an existential crisis.
  - prasenjit_pro 5y ago
    Hope there is no situation where another planet comes into existence and there scientists discover that there was a planet named "Earth" like we read now.
  - imglorp 5y ago
    The keyword is "we". Rich people can burn carbon to run their air conditioners. They can buy real estate on higher ground. So, no problem for them.
  - dfxm12 5y ago
    There are different definitions of "we" there. Do you think of "we" as the human race or "we" as in yourself and your partner or maybe your immediate family? Not everyone thinks of "we" in the same way. If you're so narcissistic/nihilistic/whatever as to fall into the latter group, what do you care? Appeals to future generations won't work on people who only care about themselves. They also won't work on people who only care about next quarter's earnings, either, and that's another issue.
    - fragmede 5y ago
      Maybe I'm not rich enough to get it, but let's say I do only care about me, and no one else. In the event of catastrophic climate collapse, sure, I could hypothetically escape on my evil villian billionaire yacht to Oceania, but even if I'm personally fine, my estate (as rich people call their houses) is going to be destroyed. My Miami beachfront condo is literally underwater, as is my Venice summer home, and NYC condo. Let's say I'm rich and selfish and care only about things and not people. If I bother to look into the future, don't I have more real estate to lose than the poors, who might have one (or fewer!) homes to lose? Your second point, that long term thinking is hard seems to be a bigger issue, even more so for anybody who is living paycheck-to-paycheck. It's too difficult to get rid of, eg, single use plastic in my life as an ordinary consumer. How do we set things up so the system is incentivized to change itself? Especially when the culture is opposed to any change in the first place.
vihattechin 5y ago
Independent software testing services company in Ahmedabad India https://vihattechnologies.com/ https://vihattechnologies.com/
tbihl 5y ago
Of course, there is almost no discussion about methodology and data sets, which is just about all there is when it comes to these modeling studies. The closest they come is saying that the paper preceeded the pacnorwest heat wave. It seems like the closest you could hope to come to scientific method in these studies is to try to divide the world's geography into a set of geographical pairs that could be considered climatically similar but distant enough from one another to be decorrelated in terms of weather systems. For example, maybe Mediterranean climates on the Mediterranean paired with comparable regions in coastal California. Then, use a random selection of one region from each pair in all the set of pairs to be used as training data, with the other component of each pair for testing. Maybe this is already done? I recognize that drawing such equivalency is impossible, but it seems like it might be an improvement nonetheless.
homerhomer 5y ago
Sadly, I don't see change happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/oregon-senate-republicans-announce-walkout-over-climate-cap-and-trade-bill.html%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02...
- ianhawes 5y ago
  Unfortunately passing laws will do little to affect change. It requires intervention on a global scale, possibly triggered by civilization collapse or military intervention.
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murat131 5y ago
Societies globally are expected to collapse around 2040s-2050s and I hope that'll be the wake up call that won't be too late for the very few children of today who are going to survive it.
- vidanay 5y ago
  Society has been going to collapse in 50 years for the last 500 years.
  - tstrimple 5y ago
    Many societies have collapsed over the last 500 years.
not_jd_salinger 5y ago
Ah once again a popular post about climate change is removed from the HN homepage. I'm sure dang will claim it's because enough people flagged it, but that's no excuse. It's ridiculous that HN actively takes a part in censoring climate change, or any general post critical of unchecked capitalist expansion, articles. I hope you realize that this is a form of aggressive climate change denial. HN used to be a site about "hackers" people who were curious about how the world worked and understanding systems. It's why posts like this get so many upvotes. Removing content like this because you don't like reality is repulsive behavior for any website but especially this one. Sadly this kind of behavior will drive me away from this site, and I'm sure many others. Enjoy your new reality denying echo chamber.

75 points by sebwi 5y ago

happppy 5y ago

we are doomed!!

jneumann004 5y ago
The worst part is that we've known we were doomed for over a hundred years.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- go_elmo 5y ago
  steadily confirms my hypothesis that humanity is "too stupid" to stop this, we will destroy ourselves like yeast producing too high alcohol concentrations. Evolution just didn't had to optimize for this, making us "stupid" as a society / species. Of course it starts now, but there is just too little time - the differential equation tipped too fast. Might also be the solution to the great filter: Once optimization for the hard problem of "supremacy" / massive expansion is solved, there is too little time to optimize for self-regulation. There sure are possibilities to solve this, but require huge amounts of luck, e.g. discovering clean & especially cheaply salable energy sources quickly enough, adding another tiny coefficient to the drake equation
  - FalconSensei 5y ago
    > e.g. discovering clean & especially cheaply salable energy sources quickly enough In our case, it's also a matter of actually using what we discover vs continue using petroleum
    - go_elmo 5y ago
      Yes, thats what I would count under behavioral / "stupidity", but if we had a source that is cheaper than petroleum already, e.g. SMR fusion we would automatically stop using fossils
  - samstave 5y ago
    I like the theory that Humanity is more like a fungus / parasite.... However, whats super interesting to watch unfold is that as we hit this "peak climate" phase - all the other things that are happening around it, FN UAP/UFO sightings and semi-disclosure is unprecedented... and clearly they have some sort of zero-point or better energy capabilities... and just the general shift (albeit slowly) in global awareness on a myriad of matters... While there is a subtle subtext of Dread in the zeitgeist, I still feel optimistic... aside from the overall global oligarch-parasite-class, which I hope we figure out a solution to... I'm still waiting for silicon valley to "make the world a better place" - each time I attempt to contribute to that, it kind of backfires on me... hopefully I can change that.
    - go_elmo 5y ago
      True, the capabilities & behavior of humanity will only really show when it gets "hard". If civilization & economy can hold up long enough to make massive efforts to recapture it could work. Im more realistic & think big powers will start to geoingineer to fight the symptoms while everything gets worse, but lets see & work for the best...
      - samstave 5y ago
        Totally agree with this sentiment... the Geo-engineering is in full swing... I do find the DEWs intriguing, as the footage of them sparking off fires in CA are pretty compelling, but not entirely believable.... I find the massive floodings in Germany, Belgium and also China to be very interesting... It was already stated many times regarding the chinese using weather modification to create effectively what we referred to as "acid rain" in the 1980s - in an effort to sequester particulate pollution in some cities -- there are several possibilities: 1. Freak 10,000-year flooding 2. Weather warfare via HAARP or such 3. Weather modification fuckup gone awry (or intentional) 4. We broke the weather system some time ago and weather modification and technologies such as HAARP are being used in a failed attempt to fix the weather system. (I love this science fiction take on it, personally)
        go_elmo 5y ago
earthtolazlo 5y ago
That seems like a reasonable assessment of the situation. I don’t know what it is with HN and absurd contrarian takes.

Proven 5y ago

My air-conditioning is in great shape - I'm ready!

Leader2light 5y ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/ https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/ If you know, you know.

meemo 5y ago

If the situation is this bad now, how bad is it going to be in ten years? Ugh.

newt_slowly 5y ago
Ten years? Just think of 60 years from now, a time that would be expected to be within the natural lifespan of children born today. I don't know how people don't understand that we face, without exaggeration, an existential crisis.
- prasenjit_pro 5y ago
  Hope there is no situation where another planet comes into existence and there scientists discover that there was a planet named "Earth" like we read now.
- imglorp 5y ago
  The keyword is "we". Rich people can burn carbon to run their air conditioners. They can buy real estate on higher ground. So, no problem for them.
- dfxm12 5y ago
  There are different definitions of "we" there. Do you think of "we" as the human race or "we" as in yourself and your partner or maybe your immediate family? Not everyone thinks of "we" in the same way. If you're so narcissistic/nihilistic/whatever as to fall into the latter group, what do you care? Appeals to future generations won't work on people who only care about themselves. They also won't work on people who only care about next quarter's earnings, either, and that's another issue.
  - fragmede 5y ago
    Maybe I'm not rich enough to get it, but let's say I do only care about me, and no one else. In the event of catastrophic climate collapse, sure, I could hypothetically escape on my evil villian billionaire yacht to Oceania, but even if I'm personally fine, my estate (as rich people call their houses) is going to be destroyed. My Miami beachfront condo is literally underwater, as is my Venice summer home, and NYC condo. Let's say I'm rich and selfish and care only about things and not people. If I bother to look into the future, don't I have more real estate to lose than the poors, who might have one (or fewer!) homes to lose? Your second point, that long term thinking is hard seems to be a bigger issue, even more so for anybody who is living paycheck-to-paycheck. It's too difficult to get rid of, eg, single use plastic in my life as an ordinary consumer. How do we set things up so the system is incentivized to change itself? Especially when the culture is opposed to any change in the first place.

vihattechin 5y ago

Independent software testing services company in Ahmedabad India https://vihattechnologies.com/ https://vihattechnologies.com/

tbihl 5y ago

Of course, there is almost no discussion about methodology and data sets, which is just about all there is when it comes to these modeling studies. The closest they come is saying that the paper preceeded the pacnorwest heat wave. It seems like the closest you could hope to come to scientific method in these studies is to try to divide the world's geography into a set of geographical pairs that could be considered climatically similar but distant enough from one another to be decorrelated in terms of weather systems. For example, maybe Mediterranean climates on the Mediterranean paired with comparable regions in coastal California. Then, use a random selection of one region from each pair in all the set of pairs to be used as training data, with the other component of each pair for testing. Maybe this is already done? I recognize that drawing such equivalency is impossible, but it seems like it might be an improvement nonetheless.

homerhomer 5y ago

Sadly, I don't see change happening. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/oregon-senate-republicans-announce-walkout-over-climate-cap-and-trade-bill.html%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02...

ianhawes 5y ago
Unfortunately passing laws will do little to affect change. It requires intervention on a global scale, possibly triggered by civilization collapse or military intervention.

deleted 5y ago

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murat131 5y ago

Societies globally are expected to collapse around 2040s-2050s and I hope that'll be the wake up call that won't be too late for the very few children of today who are going to survive it.

vidanay 5y ago
Society has been going to collapse in 50 years for the last 500 years.
- tstrimple 5y ago
  Many societies have collapsed over the last 500 years.

not_jd_salinger 5y ago

Ah once again a popular post about climate change is removed from the HN homepage. I'm sure dang will claim it's because enough people flagged it, but that's no excuse. It's ridiculous that HN actively takes a part in censoring climate change, or any general post critical of unchecked capitalist expansion, articles. I hope you realize that this is a form of aggressive climate change denial. HN used to be a site about "hackers" people who were curious about how the world worked and understanding systems. It's why posts like this get so many upvotes. Removing content like this because you don't like reality is repulsive behavior for any website but especially this one. Sadly this kind of behavior will drive me away from this site, and I'm sure many others. Enjoy your new reality denying echo chamber.