4 ms·

> Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. > Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. This is another important discussio

> Israeli settlers regularly steal Palestinian lands and homes. > Israeli military regularly demolishes Palestinian homes. This is another important discussion. However the recent east Jerusalem case has been about Jewish homes that was given to Arab families during the short Jordanian rule of the area, wasn't it? > Israeli snipers kill Palestinian children with sniper rifles, sometimes while comrades are cheering. I cannot support everything Israelis do. If this is correct and the kids where unarmed etc this is a war crime and should be punished as such. > Israeli drones kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach. Extremely sad case. Also possible reason for war crimes investigation, but: It would be extremely ironic if that case gets prosecuted while the even worse guys who start a war from this area doesn't get prosecuted. Israelis are to blame here for not being careful enough, "Palestinian leaders" for starting this. > The Israeli army wants us to not believe our eyes when we see the destruction of civilian buildings [1]. No, they are quite clear that it is civilian buildings - only with significant presence of legitimate targets. > They want us to pretend like its normal for snipers to cheer when they shoot unarmed civilians [2]. Link does not support your claim? > They want us to pretend like its normal to fire missiles at children playing on the beach [3]. Again, link does not support your claim. [...] > I wonder, what is that makes you dehumanize Palestinians and present such a skewed picture of what happens to Palestinians? I do not dehumanize them. I feel terribly sorry for them. They are suffering more than the Israelis now. But the solution isn't to continue to ostracize the least unreasonable part of the conflict and turn a blind eye to the ones who keeps starting this "war" again and again.

DSingularity 5y ago
Here is the video of the sniper shooting a clearly unarmed person while his comrades are cheering and raving about the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyLzRv_kNXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyLzRv_kNXU I wonder how many instances of this kind of targeting occur without a video recording being leaked to the public.
DSingularity 5y ago
You act like East Jerusalem is the only place where Israelis are colonizing Palestinian lands. It is common for the Israeli army to show up to some nice land, declare the land a military zone, proceed to kill and evict Palestinians, and then begin construction of a new settlement for new settlers. But why are we surprised by this? This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. Of course this policy continues because the leaders of these groups later became prime ministers, presidents, and generals. Israel is a presently criminal state (settler colonialism is a crime) with a criminal and bloody history. We aren’t ostracizing it — we are pointing out the facts and demanding justice.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. One of the differences between me and you is that I admit Israelis have faults. What you say is of course to some degree right. But presenting it this way without mentioning all the Arab terrorist groups, how the Arabs sided with the nazis etc makes it a huge lie anyway because it makes people think it is one sided. It isn't. And media is constantly fueling the same lie.
  - DSingularity 5y ago
    Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.
    - jkkorn 5y ago
      Best example here is the grand mufti of jerusalem. https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/ https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/
      - DSingularity 5y ago
        Like I said, it’s really quite a stretch to conclude that “Arabs sided with the Nazis” because of the arguably inconsequential positions of one individual — from the small Palestinian subset of the middle-eastern Arab population. Mind you these meetings occurred at the tail end of the war to discuss the forced migration of European Jews to Palestine. Anyhow, what makes this feel like such a low misrepresentation are the historical facts that Arabs were taking in the Jewish victims and refugees that the Nazis were forcing out of Germany while the Europeans and Americans were refusing them.
        skinkestek 5y ago
        > Arabs were taking in the Jewish victims and refugees that the Nazis were forcing out of Germany while the Europeans and Americans were refusing them. Good point. In all fairness you do have some good points and if you stick to them I say you have a better story.

DSingularity 5y ago

Here is the video of the sniper shooting a clearly unarmed person while his comrades are cheering and raving about the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyLzRv_kNXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyLzRv_kNXU I wonder how many instances of this kind of targeting occur without a video recording being leaked to the public.

DSingularity 5y ago

You act like East Jerusalem is the only place where Israelis are colonizing Palestinian lands. It is common for the Israeli army to show up to some nice land, declare the land a military zone, proceed to kill and evict Palestinians, and then begin construction of a new settlement for new settlers. But why are we surprised by this? This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. Of course this policy continues because the leaders of these groups later became prime ministers, presidents, and generals. Israel is a presently criminal state (settler colonialism is a crime) with a criminal and bloody history. We aren’t ostracizing it — we are pointing out the facts and demanding justice.

skinkestek 5y ago
> This has been going on since before Israel when terrorist groups like the Haganah and the Levi would terrorize Palestinians to force them to flee. One of the differences between me and you is that I admit Israelis have faults. What you say is of course to some degree right. But presenting it this way without mentioning all the Arab terrorist groups, how the Arabs sided with the nazis etc makes it a huge lie anyway because it makes people think it is one sided. It isn't. And media is constantly fueling the same lie.
- DSingularity 5y ago
  Arabs sided with the Nazis? You really don’t mind giving history a nice stretch so long as it fits your narrative.
  - jkkorn 5y ago
    Best example here is the grand mufti of jerusalem. https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/ https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/
    - DSingularity 5y ago
      Like I said, it’s really quite a stretch to conclude that “Arabs sided with the Nazis” because of the arguably inconsequential positions of one individual — from the small Palestinian subset of the middle-eastern Arab population. Mind you these meetings occurred at the tail end of the war to discuss the forced migration of European Jews to Palestine. Anyhow, what makes this feel like such a low misrepresentation are the historical facts that Arabs were taking in the Jewish victims and refugees that the Nazis were forcing out of Germany while the Europeans and Americans were refusing them.
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        > Arabs were taking in the Jewish victims and refugees that the Nazis were forcing out of Germany while the Europeans and Americans were refusing them. Good point. In all fairness you do have some good points and if you stick to them I say you have a better story.