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I mean, they may be catching covid in hospitals, there's no way to know for sure, but it seems unlikely to account for all these cases. But yeah this is going

I mean, they may be catching covid in hospitals, there's no way to know for sure, but it seems unlikely to account for all these cases. But yeah this is going to be picked up by covid-deniers as more "proof" that covid is exaggarated.

snegu 5y ago
I am not by any means a "covid-denier," but it seems to me this is evidence that the impact of Covid may be exaggerated. It's hard to say by how much (and I would be interested to learn if this is happening in US hospitals also).
- jmull 5y ago
  > this is evidence that the impact of Covid may be exaggerated I don't think so. When assessing the impact of Covid, we look at the change in overall, all-cause numbers, like all-cause deaths. (Which do show a big impact.) The reason we watch covid hospitalizations is that it is a good leading indicator of covid deaths. The "leading" part is important, because that allows health policy to react faster to what's happening, which makes it more effective at reducing the impact of Covid. (You may also worry that covid deaths are being similarly over-counted, but the all-cause death numbers tell us we're actually undercounting the overall number.) Anyway, I guess ultimately we can't stop people from misusing the covid hospitalizations number, but it is a very useful number.
jaywalk 5y ago
I don't think "Covid deniers" make up any significant percentage of the population, but that doesn't change the fact that this is proof that Covid is exaggerated.
- simpleguitar 5y ago
  I think covid deniers do make up a significant percentage of the population, and they would take this as proof of exaggeration even though it really isn't. US has had 1M excess deaths. That's a million people more than usual. http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess...
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    How is this not proof of exaggeration? Somebody in the hospital for a broken leg being counted as a "Covid hospitalization" just because they also happened to test positive for Covid means that the numbers are inflated. Period. Covid is real. Covid numbers are inflated. You're arguing against a fictional "Covid denier" boogeyman which doesn't really exist.
    - yKnoTho 5y ago
      Regardless of why they were admitted they still had covid. You’re trying to answer what sent someone to hospital, not who has covid.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Your paper isn’t fact. It is an estimated published by perhaps one of the worst modelers out there. The IHME has been publishing scary models that couldn’t even accurately predict what was happening the day they were published.
- simpleguitar 5y ago
  Not significant percentage? https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/07/26/sellout-anti-vax-conservatives-come-for-desantis-1389008 https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/07/26/sel...

snegu 5y ago

I am not by any means a "covid-denier," but it seems to me this is evidence that the impact of Covid may be exaggerated. It's hard to say by how much (and I would be interested to learn if this is happening in US hospitals also).

jmull 5y ago
> this is evidence that the impact of Covid may be exaggerated I don't think so. When assessing the impact of Covid, we look at the change in overall, all-cause numbers, like all-cause deaths. (Which do show a big impact.) The reason we watch covid hospitalizations is that it is a good leading indicator of covid deaths. The "leading" part is important, because that allows health policy to react faster to what's happening, which makes it more effective at reducing the impact of Covid. (You may also worry that covid deaths are being similarly over-counted, but the all-cause death numbers tell us we're actually undercounting the overall number.) Anyway, I guess ultimately we can't stop people from misusing the covid hospitalizations number, but it is a very useful number.

jaywalk 5y ago

I don't think "Covid deniers" make up any significant percentage of the population, but that doesn't change the fact that this is proof that Covid is exaggerated.

simpleguitar 5y ago
I think covid deniers do make up a significant percentage of the population, and they would take this as proof of exaggeration even though it really isn't. US has had 1M excess deaths. That's a million people more than usual. http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess...
- jaywalk 5y ago
  How is this not proof of exaggeration? Somebody in the hospital for a broken leg being counted as a "Covid hospitalization" just because they also happened to test positive for Covid means that the numbers are inflated. Period. Covid is real. Covid numbers are inflated. You're arguing against a fictional "Covid denier" boogeyman which doesn't really exist.
  - yKnoTho 5y ago
    Regardless of why they were admitted they still had covid. You’re trying to answer what sent someone to hospital, not who has covid.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Your paper isn’t fact. It is an estimated published by perhaps one of the worst modelers out there. The IHME has been publishing scary models that couldn’t even accurately predict what was happening the day they were published.
simpleguitar 5y ago
Not significant percentage? https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/07/26/sellout-anti-vax-conservatives-come-for-desantis-1389008 https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/07/26/sel...