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Would you say the same about quitting smoking? Or harder drugs?

randomhodler84 5y ago
Yeah, probably. Who you who didn’t like smoking. Doh, Godwin’d. Anti drug people are the worst kinda authoritarians too.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago
  You’re conflating liking the act and liking the consequences of the act.
- dogorman 5y ago
  So you think everybody who goes to Alcoholics Anonymous is a closet Nazi? Is that your deal? Get a grip, please.
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. What I am proposing is many groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ come from a place of authoritarian, paternalistic and moral policing of those they believe are “weak”.
    - dogorman 5y ago
      > Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. Wait, so you claim it of people who want to quit unspecified "hard drugs", but not alcohol specifically? Attendance to alcoholics anonymous is voluntary (usually, though sometimes a court compels it.) Use of this application is also voluntary. So what's the fundamental difference here? > groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ If this is really key to what you're getting at, then it makes no sense for you to exclude Alcoholics Anonymous from your ire since that is an organized group that is religion-adjacent if not outright religious.
      - randomhodler84 5y ago
        You are missing what I’m saying. It’s not about a particular substance. All power to folks who want to face their demons. I want people the be healthy, like anyone else. This isn’t about the people wanting to quit. It’s about the people that are building structures to enforce their own morality and dressing it up as helping addiction. Those that prey on those wanting to quit.
        dogorman 5y ago
        > building structures to enforce their own morality You mean, applications that people voluntarily choose to use? You still haven't pointed out any authoritarianism from Atmana.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please don't respond to bad comments by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes the thread even worse. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Yeah, probably. Who you who didn’t like smoking. Doh, Godwin’d. Anti drug people are the worst kinda authoritarians too.

read_if_gay_ 5y ago
You’re conflating liking the act and liking the consequences of the act.
dogorman 5y ago
So you think everybody who goes to Alcoholics Anonymous is a closet Nazi? Is that your deal? Get a grip, please.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. What I am proposing is many groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ come from a place of authoritarian, paternalistic and moral policing of those they believe are “weak”.
  - dogorman 5y ago
    > Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. Wait, so you claim it of people who want to quit unspecified "hard drugs", but not alcohol specifically? Attendance to alcoholics anonymous is voluntary (usually, though sometimes a court compels it.) Use of this application is also voluntary. So what's the fundamental difference here? > groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ If this is really key to what you're getting at, then it makes no sense for you to exclude Alcoholics Anonymous from your ire since that is an organized group that is religion-adjacent if not outright religious.
    - randomhodler84 5y ago
      You are missing what I’m saying. It’s not about a particular substance. All power to folks who want to face their demons. I want people the be healthy, like anyone else. This isn’t about the people wanting to quit. It’s about the people that are building structures to enforce their own morality and dressing it up as helping addiction. Those that prey on those wanting to quit.
      - dogorman 5y ago
        > building structures to enforce their own morality You mean, applications that people voluntarily choose to use? You still haven't pointed out any authoritarianism from Atmana.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't respond to bad comments by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes the thread even worse. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html