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I honestly don't think there is any policing. there are groups like nofap because people who fundamentally believed that they wanted to quit porn came together

I honestly don't think there is any policing. there are groups like nofap because people who fundamentally believed that they wanted to quit porn came together and there's no force. people do this voluntarily based on their own choice.

randomhodler84 5y ago
If it was voluntary, there would be no need for a app. It’s policing and enforcement. Of some personal morality.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago
  Would you say the same about quitting smoking? Or harder drugs?
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    Yeah, probably. Who you who didn’t like smoking. Doh, Godwin’d. Anti drug people are the worst kinda authoritarians too.
    - read_if_gay_ 5y ago
      You’re conflating liking the act and liking the consequences of the act.
    - dogorman 5y ago
      So you think everybody who goes to Alcoholics Anonymous is a closet Nazi? Is that your deal? Get a grip, please.
      - randomhodler84 5y ago
        Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. What I am proposing is many groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ come from a place of authoritarian, paternalistic and moral policing of those they believe are “weak”.
        dogorman 5y ago
        > Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. Wait, so you claim it of people who want to quit unspecified "hard drugs", but not alcohol specifically? Attendance to alcoholics anonymous is voluntary (usually, though sometimes a court compels it.) Use of this application is also voluntary. So what's the fundamental difference here? > groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ If this is really key to what you're getting at, then it makes no sense for you to exclude Alcoholics Anonymous from your ire since that is an organized group that is religion-adjacent if not outright religious.
        randomhodler84 5y ago
        You are missing what I’m saying. It’s not about a particular substance. All power to folks who want to face their demons. I want people the be healthy, like anyone else. This isn’t about the people wanting to quit. It’s about the people that are building structures to enforce their own morality and dressing it up as helping addiction. Those that prey on those wanting to quit.
        dogorman 5y ago
        > building structures to enforce their own morality You mean, applications that people voluntarily choose to use? You still haven't pointed out any authoritarianism from Atmana.
      - dang 5y ago
        Please don't respond to bad comments by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes the thread even worse. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- zero_billion 5y ago
  even with the app, only those who think our app will help them will install. it's not for everyone. we are firm believers in the free market economy and we are in no way saying that porn is bad or immoral etc. we are only assisting people who need help in quitting a problematic behavior.
  - bserge 5y ago
    Can I ask, how are you blocking it? Also, it seems rather strange to me that you focus on porn when social media is a bigger problem. But that's probably because of my own bias, I've been trying to quit Reddit and other garbage for years.
    - zero_billion 5y ago
      our block depends on the device, on android it's dns and showing an overlay on adult contnet. in ios it's through dns/vpn. regarding social media - that's next on our list! porn was the 1st use case and we plan to help people limit social media and gaming in the coming years.
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    You say this, but you appear to have dedicated your profession to blocking porn. (Multiple apps). I have trouble believing that this is not a moral crusade for you, dressed up as “helping people recover”. You are just setting up a censorship regime, which does not deal with the supposed underlying issues. I’m sorry for not assuming good faith here.
    - dogorman 5y ago
      > I’m sorry for not assuming good faith here. You're not sorry.
  - a1369209993 5y ago
    > even with the app, only those who think our app will help them will install. I already asked upthread, but since this is here: how do you intend to insure this? For example, how do you insure that minors who have this app installed by their parents or guardians will be able to remove or bypass it, particularly without the parent being able to detect that (and thereby prevent it via threats)?

randomhodler84 5y ago

If it was voluntary, there would be no need for a app. It’s policing and enforcement. Of some personal morality.

read_if_gay_ 5y ago
Would you say the same about quitting smoking? Or harder drugs?
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  Yeah, probably. Who you who didn’t like smoking. Doh, Godwin’d. Anti drug people are the worst kinda authoritarians too.
  - read_if_gay_ 5y ago
    You’re conflating liking the act and liking the consequences of the act.
  - dogorman 5y ago
    So you think everybody who goes to Alcoholics Anonymous is a closet Nazi? Is that your deal? Get a grip, please.
    - randomhodler84 5y ago
      Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. What I am proposing is many groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ come from a place of authoritarian, paternalistic and moral policing of those they believe are “weak”.
      - dogorman 5y ago
        > Not claiming this at all, didn’t mention alcohol. Wait, so you claim it of people who want to quit unspecified "hard drugs", but not alcohol specifically? Attendance to alcoholics anonymous is voluntary (usually, though sometimes a court compels it.) Use of this application is also voluntary. So what's the fundamental difference here? > groups (esp religious ‘addiction’ services) _organizing_ If this is really key to what you're getting at, then it makes no sense for you to exclude Alcoholics Anonymous from your ire since that is an organized group that is religion-adjacent if not outright religious.
        randomhodler84 5y ago
        You are missing what I’m saying. It’s not about a particular substance. All power to folks who want to face their demons. I want people the be healthy, like anyone else. This isn’t about the people wanting to quit. It’s about the people that are building structures to enforce their own morality and dressing it up as helping addiction. Those that prey on those wanting to quit.
        dogorman 5y ago
        > building structures to enforce their own morality You mean, applications that people voluntarily choose to use? You still haven't pointed out any authoritarianism from Atmana.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please don't respond to bad comments by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes the thread even worse. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
zero_billion 5y ago
even with the app, only those who think our app will help them will install. it's not for everyone. we are firm believers in the free market economy and we are in no way saying that porn is bad or immoral etc. we are only assisting people who need help in quitting a problematic behavior.
- bserge 5y ago
  Can I ask, how are you blocking it? Also, it seems rather strange to me that you focus on porn when social media is a bigger problem. But that's probably because of my own bias, I've been trying to quit Reddit and other garbage for years.
  - zero_billion 5y ago
    our block depends on the device, on android it's dns and showing an overlay on adult contnet. in ios it's through dns/vpn. regarding social media - that's next on our list! porn was the 1st use case and we plan to help people limit social media and gaming in the coming years.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  You say this, but you appear to have dedicated your profession to blocking porn. (Multiple apps). I have trouble believing that this is not a moral crusade for you, dressed up as “helping people recover”. You are just setting up a censorship regime, which does not deal with the supposed underlying issues. I’m sorry for not assuming good faith here.
  - dogorman 5y ago
    > I’m sorry for not assuming good faith here. You're not sorry.
- a1369209993 5y ago
  > even with the app, only those who think our app will help them will install. I already asked upthread, but since this is here: how do you intend to insure this? For example, how do you insure that minors who have this app installed by their parents or guardians will be able to remove or bypass it, particularly without the parent being able to detect that (and thereby prevent it via threats)?