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I know this isn't your fault, but I dislike society's tendency of trying to band-aid things instead of solving the actual issue. People wouldn't be addicted to

I know this isn't your fault, but I dislike society's tendency of trying to band-aid things instead of solving the actual issue. People wouldn't be addicted to sex if the media wasn't shoving it down your throat 24/7. If I open Netflix now, I guarantee at least half of the recommended shows are about sexual relationships, if not porn/sex worker stories explicitly. You can't get away from it.

goto11 5y ago
Sex existed (and made people obsessed) before mass media.
- ekster 5y ago
  > Sex existed before mass media Reading the comment you are replying to, I don’t think they were trying to say it didn’t, but that it’s different now (for the reasons they enumerated)
  - goto11 5y ago
    I push back against this statement: > People wouldn't be addicted to sex if the media wasn't shoving it down your throat Just read the Illiad to see how sexual obsessions have driven people since the dawn of history.
- rockbruno 5y ago
  While probably true at some extent for adults, I don't think 14 year old kids were masturbating 24/7 in medieval times. The situation is definitely worse today
- DeusExMachina 5y ago
  Pervasive sexually explicit imagery definitely didn't.
  - zero_billion 5y ago
    not just imagery, but high definition videos that mimic reality with VR headsets etc.
  - _game_of_life 5y ago
    I have some ancient greek pottery that would VIGOROUSLY disagree with you. Also fertility statutes. Also a mural I got from Kanamara Matsuri (Japanese penis festival) last year. Pervasive sexually explicit (by today's standards) imagery most definitely has existed to varying degrees throughout antiquity. I like the idea of an app to help porn addiction though. People can become addicted to anything, and another tool in the toolbelt for those people is nice and wholesome IMO.
    - DeusExMachina 5y ago
      > I have some ancient greek pottery that would VIGOROUSLY disagree with you. Also fertility statutes. a) Those are not pervasive at all. Pottery and statues are expensive and slow to produce and are found only in specific places. b) Those are all low-level representations with a totally different purpose. A fertility statue is not comparable to a constant stream of young girls in bikini on Instagram. "Fertility statue addiction" has never been a thing.
      - _game_of_life 5y ago
        > "Fertility statue addiction" has never been a thing I have a room full of phallic statues from various tribes that proves this wrong. Also I don't know how familiar you are with fertility statues, but a lot of them actually function as dildos too. And you can DEFINITELY get addicted to those!
      - goto11 5y ago
        > "Fertility statue addiction" has never been a thing. How do you know? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious how you know this. We do have ancient myths about people falling in love with statues.
zero_billion 5y ago
that's true. our modern society is overly stimulating and using our innate instincts to attract attention.
brk 5y ago
I disagree. I personally think it would be less of an issue if it wasn't treated as such a taboo topic. Particularly in America, many people get far too worked up (IMO) about basic issues of sexuality or displays of anything mildly erotic in mainstream media. Also, FWIW, I do not see any of these Netflix show recommendations with significant sexual undertones. Then again, we also do not watch any of the fake reality TV, "dating" shows, or other drama-based programming.
- ekster 5y ago
  This would be easy to test, do less prudish countries have less porn addiction?
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  As a European this also amazes me. Sexuality is frowned upon and people are made to feel bad about themselves for normal human behaviour (yet at the same time most porn is produced in the US). The only European country close to this level of sexual strictness is the UK (and Ireland) Then on the other hand, glorifying violence is no problem whatsoever. To the extreme situation we have now where showing a nipple is pure evil but shooting someone in the face is badass. I just don't get this. Not that I care very much, Americans are free to arrange their society as they see fit. But the problem is that American morals tend to spread a lot due to cultural sharing, like movies.
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renewiltord 5y ago
> People wouldn't be addicted to sex if the media wasn't shoving it down your throat 24/7. What evidence do you have for this?
ge96 5y ago
This is a sci fi thing (literally black mirror) but one day when we have AR contacts, I would like to see what life would be like if I replaced women to look plain to me, like how I would be disinterested in men personally. Then I can live my life not being distracted, like in a work place, they'd just be another person I work with, no urges. I know I'm a creep for thinking that way. The other part of me that thinks this it's like giving up. I think to truly not care you need true abundance (action). Also extremes like pre-scanning incoming images on social media for semi-mature content and then blocking it, I do see that aspect. It is a thing though "simping" i.e. OF or Hololive on YT(this is less sexual more on the social replacement aspect), etc... getting sucked into that... thankfully I have not personally done that. But I am still a lonely man that is true. Couple minutes of the pixel release and I'm on my way.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Why would it be bad if you fancy a coworker? It happens.. As long as your don't do anything nonconsensual it's fine. Attraction is a normal thing. It's society that tries to make us feel weird about it.

goto11 5y ago

Sex existed (and made people obsessed) before mass media.

ekster 5y ago
> Sex existed before mass media Reading the comment you are replying to, I don’t think they were trying to say it didn’t, but that it’s different now (for the reasons they enumerated)
- goto11 5y ago
  I push back against this statement: > People wouldn't be addicted to sex if the media wasn't shoving it down your throat Just read the Illiad to see how sexual obsessions have driven people since the dawn of history.
rockbruno 5y ago
While probably true at some extent for adults, I don't think 14 year old kids were masturbating 24/7 in medieval times. The situation is definitely worse today
DeusExMachina 5y ago
Pervasive sexually explicit imagery definitely didn't.
- zero_billion 5y ago
  not just imagery, but high definition videos that mimic reality with VR headsets etc.
- _game_of_life 5y ago
  I have some ancient greek pottery that would VIGOROUSLY disagree with you. Also fertility statutes. Also a mural I got from Kanamara Matsuri (Japanese penis festival) last year. Pervasive sexually explicit (by today's standards) imagery most definitely has existed to varying degrees throughout antiquity. I like the idea of an app to help porn addiction though. People can become addicted to anything, and another tool in the toolbelt for those people is nice and wholesome IMO.
  - DeusExMachina 5y ago
    > I have some ancient greek pottery that would VIGOROUSLY disagree with you. Also fertility statutes. a) Those are not pervasive at all. Pottery and statues are expensive and slow to produce and are found only in specific places. b) Those are all low-level representations with a totally different purpose. A fertility statue is not comparable to a constant stream of young girls in bikini on Instagram. "Fertility statue addiction" has never been a thing.
    - _game_of_life 5y ago
      > "Fertility statue addiction" has never been a thing I have a room full of phallic statues from various tribes that proves this wrong. Also I don't know how familiar you are with fertility statues, but a lot of them actually function as dildos too. And you can DEFINITELY get addicted to those!
    - goto11 5y ago
      > "Fertility statue addiction" has never been a thing. How do you know? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious how you know this. We do have ancient myths about people falling in love with statues.

zero_billion 5y ago

that's true. our modern society is overly stimulating and using our innate instincts to attract attention.

brk 5y ago

I disagree. I personally think it would be less of an issue if it wasn't treated as such a taboo topic. Particularly in America, many people get far too worked up (IMO) about basic issues of sexuality or displays of anything mildly erotic in mainstream media. Also, FWIW, I do not see any of these Netflix show recommendations with significant sexual undertones. Then again, we also do not watch any of the fake reality TV, "dating" shows, or other drama-based programming.

ekster 5y ago
This would be easy to test, do less prudish countries have less porn addiction?
GekkePrutser 5y ago
As a European this also amazes me. Sexuality is frowned upon and people are made to feel bad about themselves for normal human behaviour (yet at the same time most porn is produced in the US). The only European country close to this level of sexual strictness is the UK (and Ireland) Then on the other hand, glorifying violence is no problem whatsoever. To the extreme situation we have now where showing a nipple is pure evil but shooting someone in the face is badass. I just don't get this. Not that I care very much, Americans are free to arrange their society as they see fit. But the problem is that American morals tend to spread a lot due to cultural sharing, like movies.

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renewiltord 5y ago

> People wouldn't be addicted to sex if the media wasn't shoving it down your throat 24/7. What evidence do you have for this?

ge96 5y ago

This is a sci fi thing (literally black mirror) but one day when we have AR contacts, I would like to see what life would be like if I replaced women to look plain to me, like how I would be disinterested in men personally. Then I can live my life not being distracted, like in a work place, they'd just be another person I work with, no urges. I know I'm a creep for thinking that way. The other part of me that thinks this it's like giving up. I think to truly not care you need true abundance (action). Also extremes like pre-scanning incoming images on social media for semi-mature content and then blocking it, I do see that aspect. It is a thing though "simping" i.e. OF or Hololive on YT(this is less sexual more on the social replacement aspect), etc... getting sucked into that... thankfully I have not personally done that. But I am still a lonely man that is true. Couple minutes of the pixel release and I'm on my way.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
Why would it be bad if you fancy a coworker? It happens.. As long as your don't do anything nonconsensual it's fine. Attraction is a normal thing. It's society that tries to make us feel weird about it.