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I'm not really into the tech behind Deep Fake, but doesn't the whole credit go to the tool? Or is it that one needs to adjust the tool somehow to produce decent

I'm not really into the tech behind Deep Fake, but doesn't the whole credit go to the tool? Or is it that one needs to adjust the tool somehow to produce decent fakes?

wccrawford 5y ago
It's not just about the tool, it's about how to set up and use the tool, and I'm sure there's a lot of tweaking, too. It's cheaper to hire this person to set it up and run it for them than to try to get someone up to speed that's already on-staff, I'd bet.
hermannj314 5y ago
"Point this device at the thing you are looking at and press a button." is sufficient creative effort to generate copyright for photographs, I am not going to be hard on digital artists doing significantly more work.
- ethanbond 5y ago
  Generate copyright, sure, but generate value that justifies hiring? You can’t take the camera away from the photographer and have it autonomously recreate the photographer’s taste and tuning. OP is asking whether that’s also the case with the tool shown here (the answer to which I don’t know, but I suspect it does require a fair bit of artistic tuning).
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    Well the person currently working at Lucasarts got paid to create a deepfake, now someone made a better version so why not pay them for doing a better job?
    - ethanbond 5y ago
      The reason not to do that is if you can get the same results for free or for a one-time cost. That’s the question GP is asking.
      - cinntaile 5y ago
        A lot of software consists of ready built models, but without the right parameters and constraints you'll just end up with garbage. I don't see a reason why this wouldn't be the case for deep learning models? The fact that they hired him suggests to me that it's not possible at this point point in time anyway.
        ethanbond 5y ago
        Yes, we've arrived again at GP's question.
        cinntaile 5y ago
        Your reformulated question is not the question originally asked but it is the one I replied to.
  - tshaddox 5y ago
    For hiring it obviously just depends on how many people can do the job and what compensation terms they will expect, as well as how much compensation employers will offer.
bick_nyers 5y ago
Adjusting the tool for sure, and moreover, adjusting your data collection strategy to the scene, and applying manual fixes to the data or the output. Definitely an art as much as it is a science, much like Machine Learning in general. I'm not sure if the tool will even improve much with time, as I understand, most of the work is in the data collection, and quantity is definitely not better than quality.
fsloth 5y ago
Deep fake tools are like ... well, any other digital content creation tool. The artist needs to do most of the parametrization, even though the algorithms come boxed in. Deepfacelab has some tutorials to explain what is actually done: https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smpMsfC3ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smpMsfC3ls
cainxinth 5y ago
Do you really think they didn’t try doing this without this guy before deciding it would be easier just to hire him?
- jtbayly 5y ago
  Obviously they did. That's what the new guy is competing with.
  - cainxinth 5y ago
    No, I mean afterwards. They saw his vid, and must have thought, let’s try and fix our previous work using a similar method… and discovered even that isn’t so easy.
robbrown451 5y ago
If it is so easy, he wouldn't be the only one getting all those views. His results are far better than anyone else has been able to get, so that says there is a lot more than just running the tool.
omgwtfbbq 5y ago
Suppose it's like saying a painting should really be credited to the paint and brushes since they did all the work of creating the piece.

I'm not really into the tech behind Deep Fake, but doesn't the whole credit go to the tool? Or is it that one needs to adjust the tool somehow to produce decent fakes?

wccrawford 5y ago

It's not just about the tool, it's about how to set up and use the tool, and I'm sure there's a lot of tweaking, too. It's cheaper to hire this person to set it up and run it for them than to try to get someone up to speed that's already on-staff, I'd bet.

hermannj314 5y ago

"Point this device at the thing you are looking at and press a button." is sufficient creative effort to generate copyright for photographs, I am not going to be hard on digital artists doing significantly more work.

ethanbond 5y ago
Generate copyright, sure, but generate value that justifies hiring? You can’t take the camera away from the photographer and have it autonomously recreate the photographer’s taste and tuning. OP is asking whether that’s also the case with the tool shown here (the answer to which I don’t know, but I suspect it does require a fair bit of artistic tuning).
- cinntaile 5y ago
  Well the person currently working at Lucasarts got paid to create a deepfake, now someone made a better version so why not pay them for doing a better job?
  - ethanbond 5y ago
    The reason not to do that is if you can get the same results for free or for a one-time cost. That’s the question GP is asking.
    - cinntaile 5y ago
      A lot of software consists of ready built models, but without the right parameters and constraints you'll just end up with garbage. I don't see a reason why this wouldn't be the case for deep learning models? The fact that they hired him suggests to me that it's not possible at this point point in time anyway.
      - ethanbond 5y ago
        Yes, we've arrived again at GP's question.
        cinntaile 5y ago
        Your reformulated question is not the question originally asked but it is the one I replied to.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  For hiring it obviously just depends on how many people can do the job and what compensation terms they will expect, as well as how much compensation employers will offer.

bick_nyers 5y ago

Adjusting the tool for sure, and moreover, adjusting your data collection strategy to the scene, and applying manual fixes to the data or the output. Definitely an art as much as it is a science, much like Machine Learning in general. I'm not sure if the tool will even improve much with time, as I understand, most of the work is in the data collection, and quantity is definitely not better than quality.

fsloth 5y ago

Deep fake tools are like ... well, any other digital content creation tool. The artist needs to do most of the parametrization, even though the algorithms come boxed in. Deepfacelab has some tutorials to explain what is actually done: https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smpMsfC3ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smpMsfC3ls

cainxinth 5y ago

Do you really think they didn’t try doing this without this guy before deciding it would be easier just to hire him?

jtbayly 5y ago
Obviously they did. That's what the new guy is competing with.
- cainxinth 5y ago
  No, I mean afterwards. They saw his vid, and must have thought, let’s try and fix our previous work using a similar method… and discovered even that isn’t so easy.

robbrown451 5y ago

If it is so easy, he wouldn't be the only one getting all those views. His results are far better than anyone else has been able to get, so that says there is a lot more than just running the tool.

omgwtfbbq 5y ago

Suppose it's like saying a painting should really be credited to the paint and brushes since they did all the work of creating the piece.