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I think this is wild conjecture. Users don't care as much as you think about "native performance", they care about features and price. PWAs can be iterated fa

I think this is wild conjecture. Users don't care as much as you think about "native performance", they care about features and price. PWAs can be iterated faster than native apps, and they circumvent the app store tax. They also let the business control the onboarding and sales funnel vs text only app storefronts filled with garbage.

tinus_hn 5y ago
Native performance is a feature in itself and is not about speed but about UI standards and features. If your statement was true, there wouldn’t have to be any complaints about Apples ‘walled garden’ because there is no ‘walled garden’ for PWAs.
- candiddevmike 5y ago
  Apple effectively doesn't allow PWAs on iOS, so I don't follow your last point.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    How does it not allow progressive web apps? Or do you mean apps that are nothing more than shells around a website?
  - whynaut 5y ago
    I don’t follow this at all. How are PWAs “not allowed”?
agloeregrets 5y ago
Users care about 'Native experience' when they actually want to use the app. There's good reason why companies like Starbucks or IG or your Email app are not PWAs. The word users tend to have for non-native apps isn't about performance or such, it's about UX. That word is 'shit'. Nearly every single PWA developer thinks about how brilliant it is that they can write for two platforms at once but forgets that it means that you ALSO have to do every single last bit of legwork that Apple and Google did for you to give a good, correct-feeling UX on mobile and that the more you do the more you pay that performance cost and build yourself a tech debt prison. And don't get me started on the nightmare that is Ionic and Angular. PWAs absolutely have their place: Apps that you might want to use...sometimes.. with notifications. That's it. Nothing more makes any sense.
- Jcowell 5y ago
  Note IG does have a PWA but it’s ass since the native app is better and support more features than the web client.

tinus_hn 5y ago

Native performance is a feature in itself and is not about speed but about UI standards and features. If your statement was true, there wouldn’t have to be any complaints about Apples ‘walled garden’ because there is no ‘walled garden’ for PWAs.

candiddevmike 5y ago
Apple effectively doesn't allow PWAs on iOS, so I don't follow your last point.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  How does it not allow progressive web apps? Or do you mean apps that are nothing more than shells around a website?
- whynaut 5y ago
  I don’t follow this at all. How are PWAs “not allowed”?

agloeregrets 5y ago

Users care about 'Native experience' when they actually want to use the app. There's good reason why companies like Starbucks or IG or your Email app are not PWAs. The word users tend to have for non-native apps isn't about performance or such, it's about UX. That word is 'shit'. Nearly every single PWA developer thinks about how brilliant it is that they can write for two platforms at once but forgets that it means that you ALSO have to do every single last bit of legwork that Apple and Google did for you to give a good, correct-feeling UX on mobile and that the more you do the more you pay that performance cost and build yourself a tech debt prison. And don't get me started on the nightmare that is Ionic and Angular. PWAs absolutely have their place: Apps that you might want to use...sometimes.. with notifications. That's it. Nothing more makes any sense.

Jcowell 5y ago
Note IG does have a PWA but it’s ass since the native app is better and support more features than the web client.