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> But can you safely sleep in them? Of course not, unless you’re parked, or someone else is driving. I don't know, seems like opinionated. What's the definiti

> But can you safely sleep in them? Of course not, unless you’re parked, or someone else is driving. I don't know, seems like opinionated. What's the definition of Self-Driving? Can it drive from point a to point b? The question is, do you trust it? Do you trust taxi / uber driver to drive you while you're asleep at 1am, drunk? It should be the same question. Technically it can be defined as a self-driving car, because it can bring you from point a to point b, but the case of where people should trust their life on it is a different story.

CRConrad 5y ago
> The question is, do you trust it? Do you trust taxi / uber driver to drive you while you're asleep at 1am, drunk? In practice, it sometimes turns out afterwards that you did, albeit perhaps involuntarily: When the driver wakes you up saying "Oi, we're here now!" > Technically it can be defined as a self-driving car, because it can bring you from point a to point b, but the case of where people should trust their life on it is a different story. You do that with the taxi / uber driver whether you're asleep or awake.
wutwutwutwut 5y ago
I don't trust a taxi driver to safely take me to the destination. But taxi drivers don't claim that their cars are self driving. So what's your point? The fact that some other human is driving the car doesn't mean that the car can be called self driving.
- robertwt7 5y ago
  Its called "self driving" because it can drive from point a to point b. Taxi drivers claims that they can drive you from point a to point b. So what's the difference??
  - saberdancer 5y ago
    You can assume that the taxi driver will be able to react to most possible events on your ride home. Right now self driving systems require active oversight and you can't sleep while you use them. It's like comparing an experienced driver (taxi or not) and a student driver. I'd sleep with an experienced driver driving but I wouldn't even think about sleeping if I am being driven by a student driver.
    - robertwt7 5y ago
      I'm not arguing that.. What I was saying is, the definition of self-driving. An experienced driver and an amateur driver are both driver. But you will trust the experienced one more.
      - wutwutwutwut 5y ago
        According to a actual established definition of the word (source?) or a definition you made up?
  - wutwutwutwut 5y ago
    According to Oxford dictionary, self driving implies: > capable of travelling without input from a human operator, by means of computer systems working in conjunction with on-board sensors. A taxi clearly does not match this definition, since it has a human operator. I assume we are not just making up words ourselves, because that would be meaningless. What definition are you referring to that would match your usage?
bruce343434 5y ago
I would trust a friend driving me, because there's no conflict of interest to take a longer route for a higher fare.
rendall 5y ago
> I don't know, seems like opinionated. Yes. But that's not a bad thing. It just helps us orient to what we're talking about. "I made a self-driving car." "Can you sleep in it?" "Well, you can but you will crash..." "Not self-driving."
afiori 5y ago
To compare apples to apples you need to distinguish the two risks involved: how much do I trust the driver (human or otherwise) not to have an accident and how much do I trust the driver not to abduct me or generally act maliciously. Uber drivers and today's SDC rank quite differently on those two risks A car that perfectly moves through traffic but intentionally drops you off in the most crime ridden area it can find is gerenally not considered in these scenarios.
pjc50 5y ago
> Do you trust taxi / uber driver to drive you while you're asleep at 1am, drunk? Well, yes, or I'm not going to be able to get home?

CRConrad 5y ago

> The question is, do you trust it? Do you trust taxi / uber driver to drive you while you're asleep at 1am, drunk? In practice, it sometimes turns out afterwards that you did, albeit perhaps involuntarily: When the driver wakes you up saying "Oi, we're here now!" > Technically it can be defined as a self-driving car, because it can bring you from point a to point b, but the case of where people should trust their life on it is a different story. You do that with the taxi / uber driver whether you're asleep or awake.

wutwutwutwut 5y ago

I don't trust a taxi driver to safely take me to the destination. But taxi drivers don't claim that their cars are self driving. So what's your point? The fact that some other human is driving the car doesn't mean that the car can be called self driving.

robertwt7 5y ago
Its called "self driving" because it can drive from point a to point b. Taxi drivers claims that they can drive you from point a to point b. So what's the difference??
- saberdancer 5y ago
  You can assume that the taxi driver will be able to react to most possible events on your ride home. Right now self driving systems require active oversight and you can't sleep while you use them. It's like comparing an experienced driver (taxi or not) and a student driver. I'd sleep with an experienced driver driving but I wouldn't even think about sleeping if I am being driven by a student driver.
  - robertwt7 5y ago
    I'm not arguing that.. What I was saying is, the definition of self-driving. An experienced driver and an amateur driver are both driver. But you will trust the experienced one more.
    - wutwutwutwut 5y ago
      According to a actual established definition of the word (source?) or a definition you made up?
- wutwutwutwut 5y ago
  According to Oxford dictionary, self driving implies: > capable of travelling without input from a human operator, by means of computer systems working in conjunction with on-board sensors. A taxi clearly does not match this definition, since it has a human operator. I assume we are not just making up words ourselves, because that would be meaningless. What definition are you referring to that would match your usage?

bruce343434 5y ago

I would trust a friend driving me, because there's no conflict of interest to take a longer route for a higher fare.

rendall 5y ago

> I don't know, seems like opinionated. Yes. But that's not a bad thing. It just helps us orient to what we're talking about. "I made a self-driving car." "Can you sleep in it?" "Well, you can but you will crash..." "Not self-driving."

afiori 5y ago

To compare apples to apples you need to distinguish the two risks involved: how much do I trust the driver (human or otherwise) not to have an accident and how much do I trust the driver not to abduct me or generally act maliciously. Uber drivers and today's SDC rank quite differently on those two risks A car that perfectly moves through traffic but intentionally drops you off in the most crime ridden area it can find is gerenally not considered in these scenarios.

pjc50 5y ago

> Do you trust taxi / uber driver to drive you while you're asleep at 1am, drunk? Well, yes, or I'm not going to be able to get home?