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Oh wow, I could not agree more. I've always struggled to put it into words, but > web devs are among the least educated, least sophisticated, most entitled and

Oh wow, I could not agree more. I've always struggled to put it into words, but > web devs are among the least educated, least sophisticated, most entitled and most whiny bunch there is This is exactly what I see. I'm a C/C++ developer, and recently started to re-make my website[0] (very WIP) together with my partner, and I've had a few web-devs and other devs tell me that it's really fast (i didn't notice because I'm used to sites like HN), and I just said "it doesnt use js", and I kid you not, at least one or two couldn't even believe that(???). It's crazy how simple you can make a website, with just standard html and css. I don't understand the push for frameworks and other js stuff, honestly. You said it - Megabytes. That's all you're really adding when all you want is a simple little website. Of course you need it for interactivity, and any kind of account system will get more complicated, but the amount of sites that are just a webapp is horrifying. [0]: https://kortlepel.com/ https://kortlepel.com/

Dah00n 5y ago
You mention a simple site with HTML and CSS. That is actually quite funny in a discussion about Safari as CSS is one of the areas that Safari is behind other browsers. A site with those frameworks would very likely work better in Safari than one without them (but yes I dislike them too which is one of the reasons I dislike Safari). https://caniuse.com/ https://caniuse.com/
- yourenotsmart 5y ago
  You claim Safari is so behind in CSS that it's "quite funny" to discuss making a simple HTML and CSS site in it. And you didn't bother to name even one important missing CSS feature. Very low effort. If you want to be taken seriously, bring some facts and examples next time, not just generic internet flamebait.
  - Scottopherson 5y ago
    > web devs are among the least educated, least sophisticated, most entitled and most whiny bunch there is Of course, you're not spitting out generic flamebait with no backing evidence. That would be very low effort.
    - yourenotsmart 5y ago
      The comment I was replying to can serve as evidence.
dubya 5y ago
The link to your generic-c github project is broken.
- lionkor 5y ago
  Oh wow, it's really broken. Thanks for the notice! We're still iterating fast and hard, so stuff breaks :)
skydhash 5y ago
I just export my own website[0] from Bear.app [0]: https://hescaide.me/ https://hescaide.me/

Dah00n 5y ago

You mention a simple site with HTML and CSS. That is actually quite funny in a discussion about Safari as CSS is one of the areas that Safari is behind other browsers. A site with those frameworks would very likely work better in Safari than one without them (but yes I dislike them too which is one of the reasons I dislike Safari). https://caniuse.com/ https://caniuse.com/

yourenotsmart 5y ago
You claim Safari is so behind in CSS that it's "quite funny" to discuss making a simple HTML and CSS site in it. And you didn't bother to name even one important missing CSS feature. Very low effort. If you want to be taken seriously, bring some facts and examples next time, not just generic internet flamebait.
- Scottopherson 5y ago
  > web devs are among the least educated, least sophisticated, most entitled and most whiny bunch there is Of course, you're not spitting out generic flamebait with no backing evidence. That would be very low effort.
  - yourenotsmart 5y ago
    The comment I was replying to can serve as evidence.

dubya 5y ago

The link to your generic-c github project is broken.

lionkor 5y ago
Oh wow, it's really broken. Thanks for the notice! We're still iterating fast and hard, so stuff breaks :)

skydhash 5y ago

I just export my own website[0] from Bear.app [0]: https://hescaide.me/ https://hescaide.me/