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I agree with your general sentiment, and I despair at the slow tide of inefficient, ill-behaved applications built with web technologies swallowing up every cat

I agree with your general sentiment, and I despair at the slow tide of inefficient, ill-behaved applications built with web technologies swallowing up every category of software. However, I think the main complaint here is that Safari is missing support for some pretty low-hanging fruit. Take notifications for example: there's a whole wealth of web-based systems where the user might want to receive notifications, but where building and distributing native applications is completely infeasible. Do we need the ability for websites to send notifications? Of course not. Does it suck that out of every modern browser (including desktop Safari), only mobile Safari doesn't support it? I think so, personally.

falcolas 5y ago
Web developers (and/or the companies who hold their reins) have proven that they can not be trusted with access to notifications. I personally don't care how useful they may be for the 0.001% of applications when the remaining 99.999% are spammers. There's not one site that's allowed to spam me with notifications on the desktop, and I'm thrilled beyond belief that they can't do it on my iPhone.
- deergomoo 5y ago
  There’s no reason they can’t be implemented exactly the same way as native apps on iOS. You get one ask, and if the user says no, all future asks are ignored by the system unless the user manually enables them. You could even implement additional restrictions like requiring the user spend a few minutes on the site before showing the dialogue.
  - mmis1000 5y ago
    They are already being like that since forever. And Edge now doing it more aggressively. It tries to collect statistics from users. If most user say no to your website. Your site's permission prompt is going to be judged as spam and ignored by default for everyone (not even the popup is going to show, you only can enabled it manually in setting now)

falcolas 5y ago

Web developers (and/or the companies who hold their reins) have proven that they can not be trusted with access to notifications. I personally don't care how useful they may be for the 0.001% of applications when the remaining 99.999% are spammers. There's not one site that's allowed to spam me with notifications on the desktop, and I'm thrilled beyond belief that they can't do it on my iPhone.

deergomoo 5y ago
There’s no reason they can’t be implemented exactly the same way as native apps on iOS. You get one ask, and if the user says no, all future asks are ignored by the system unless the user manually enables them. You could even implement additional restrictions like requiring the user spend a few minutes on the site before showing the dialogue.
- mmis1000 5y ago
  They are already being like that since forever. And Edge now doing it more aggressively. It tries to collect statistics from users. If most user say no to your website. Your site's permission prompt is going to be judged as spam and ignored by default for everyone (not even the popup is going to show, you only can enabled it manually in setting now)