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> Earth's population will plateau at around 10-11bn people. We can easily feed that many people It is interesting you said that especially as Oxfam recent stud

> Earth's population will plateau at around 10-11bn people. We can easily feed that many people It is interesting you said that especially as Oxfam recent study says that each minute 11 people dies of hunger while planet has 7.8bn people. https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/oxfam-11-people-die-of-hunger-each-minute-around-the-globe/article35228377.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/oxfam-11-people-...

ch_sm 5y ago
the fact that we don‘t doesn‘t mean we can‘t.
danielrpa 5y ago
Much worse famines happened in the past with smaller populations. We can easily feed this many people - perhaps if we didn't spend so much trying to outbomb other fellow humans?
ascar 5y ago
11 people per minute is 5.7 million a year. That's less than 0.1% of the population. The inefficiency losses from production to meal (about 1/3 waste) and the unequal global distribution of food are the important factors not our ability to sustainably produce enough. Another problem is population growth in areas that lack the necessary environmental/climate properties to sustain themselves.
- NiceWayToDoIT 5y ago
  During almost 2 years of Covid 4.2 million people died (2m per year) and people are terrified across world, but I have a filling that mentioning 0.1% you are trying to say that 5.7 million death due starvation (roughly population of Ireland each year) is not much? Yes, I know stats, about waste, and also how half of planet undernourished, and half of planet is obese. Yes, if this is perfect world we would not have global warming, inequality, wars, we would not have extinction of animal and plant species, destruction of ecosystem... wealth would be distributed more fairly and we would already live in multiple planets. So, we do not live in that world, we live in world where people turn head on the other side when see someone on the street ask them for just a bit of food ...
  - ascar 5y ago
    I'm arguing that bringing up that 0.1% of the population is starving isn't a relevant point in regard to how much population we can actually feed. It was an answer to your original comment. Your answer is derailing the discussion to a moral debate about the worth of lifes.
    - NiceWayToDoIT 5y ago
      I do not know do you understand that Stalin had same pattern of thinking? By that logic why not having 40bn people, I mean there is plenty of calories, we do not have to all eat each day, every other day will do... The entire conversation only has sense in context of life and quality of life of those people, along with all other beings in ecosystem, as idea of the entire article is benefit for having more people for the sake of economy. There is technical level so what is maximum. Maximum amount of caries with minimum amount of calories needed to survive = 40bn. There is other side if there is one involuntary death due to starvation, there is no point of growing bigger population, as it is shitty civilization anyway and it does not deserve to exist. Even in pure technical level calculation does not work, as we need to include all issues and loses, we cannot auto-magically say things will solve themselves. It is necessary to include waste, and continuation of the food waste, then global warming (droughts, floods, pollution), then loss of top soil, issue with nitrogen fixation, issue with energy production, collapsing of marine life, supply chain ...

ch_sm 5y ago

the fact that we don‘t doesn‘t mean we can‘t.

danielrpa 5y ago

Much worse famines happened in the past with smaller populations. We can easily feed this many people - perhaps if we didn't spend so much trying to outbomb other fellow humans?

ascar 5y ago

11 people per minute is 5.7 million a year. That's less than 0.1% of the population. The inefficiency losses from production to meal (about 1/3 waste) and the unequal global distribution of food are the important factors not our ability to sustainably produce enough. Another problem is population growth in areas that lack the necessary environmental/climate properties to sustain themselves.

NiceWayToDoIT 5y ago
During almost 2 years of Covid 4.2 million people died (2m per year) and people are terrified across world, but I have a filling that mentioning 0.1% you are trying to say that 5.7 million death due starvation (roughly population of Ireland each year) is not much? Yes, I know stats, about waste, and also how half of planet undernourished, and half of planet is obese. Yes, if this is perfect world we would not have global warming, inequality, wars, we would not have extinction of animal and plant species, destruction of ecosystem... wealth would be distributed more fairly and we would already live in multiple planets. So, we do not live in that world, we live in world where people turn head on the other side when see someone on the street ask them for just a bit of food ...
- ascar 5y ago
  I'm arguing that bringing up that 0.1% of the population is starving isn't a relevant point in regard to how much population we can actually feed. It was an answer to your original comment. Your answer is derailing the discussion to a moral debate about the worth of lifes.
  - NiceWayToDoIT 5y ago
    I do not know do you understand that Stalin had same pattern of thinking? By that logic why not having 40bn people, I mean there is plenty of calories, we do not have to all eat each day, every other day will do... The entire conversation only has sense in context of life and quality of life of those people, along with all other beings in ecosystem, as idea of the entire article is benefit for having more people for the sake of economy. There is technical level so what is maximum. Maximum amount of caries with minimum amount of calories needed to survive = 40bn. There is other side if there is one involuntary death due to starvation, there is no point of growing bigger population, as it is shitty civilization anyway and it does not deserve to exist. Even in pure technical level calculation does not work, as we need to include all issues and loses, we cannot auto-magically say things will solve themselves. It is necessary to include waste, and continuation of the food waste, then global warming (droughts, floods, pollution), then loss of top soil, issue with nitrogen fixation, issue with energy production, collapsing of marine life, supply chain ...