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This one is easy: US provides Israel with roughly $5-6B in military funding which has to be spent back with US suppliers (please add details if anyone has it)

by Zhenya 5y ago

This one is easy: US provides Israel with roughly $5-6B in military funding which has to be spent back with US suppliers (please add details if anyone has it) The total IDF budget in 2011 (latest I could find and has increased) is over $20b. more reading: -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Budget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Budget -https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/infographic-what-you-need-to-know-about-israels-military https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/infographic-what-you... (aljazeera of all places!) I dont think $6B=$20B.

throwaway210222 5y ago
(aljazeera of all places!) Curious why you find that curious.
- jkkorn 5y ago
  "Al Jazeera is a Qatari government-funded international Arabic news channel based in Doha" I don't think they've ever produced anything remotely truthful about the region. ever. That's why it's curious
  - radycov 5y ago
    When even AP wouldn't dare criticise Israel for destroying its building in Gaza, it's clear there's a need for a counter narrative to the one sided propaganda. And the one Jewish woman who dared to open her mouth was immediately fired: https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Emily-Wilder-Associated-Press-Israel-Palestine-AP-16192391.php https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Emily-Wilder-Associa...
    - jkkorn 5y ago
      Oh but AP did criticise at first...but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-editor-suggests-hamas-in-gaza-city-building-2021-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-edit... Going back to the AlJazeera aspect: Qatar funds Hamas (one source cites 400m USD in 2014) AND provides the "right media coverage" through AlJazeera. From where I'm standing it doesn't look like there is one sided propaganda
      - throwaway210222 5y ago
        > but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building Ah, so its OK to drop bombs on the entire building then? So, by extrapolation, if there is a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse in a school or hospital, then the IDF can wipe those out too? Nice.
        jkkorn 5y ago
        wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one. IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in. Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead to the fewest civilian deaths will be bombing the launch site ( a civilian building). What's the alternative? Mount a massive land invasion into a booby trapped hell hole?
        radycov 5y ago
        Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount? Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves. Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity.
        jkkorn 5y ago
        "Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount?" You know what the "temple" in temple mount is right? the dome is literally built on top of the rubble of two jewish temples. Jews can only go there on specific days+hours, aren't allowed to even pray. For extra effect: it's also allegedly where jesus used to go pray. Some people might argue that israelites are the ones who got their land stolen. That place is over the top contentious. Of course I agree that attacking worshippers is wrong. No one should be cool about that. Nonetheless, worth checking the "attacking worshippers". "Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves" Do they though? Sheik Jarrah is a private citizen dispute. Literally two groups of citizens deliberating on who owns what. "Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity."" Yeah they do. From here it looks like you're defending sending thousands of rockets (unguided) pointed at civilians. Hamas has nothing to do with Sheik Jarrah. Hamas only wants to create more conflict so that it can justify it's existence. Have you read their manifesto? It doesn't want peace, it want's the destruction of israel. Doesn't seem very negotiable. The entire movement is predicated on struggle and conflict. Not peace and harmony. Unfortunately for Hamas, the rocket launches are a recreational activity.
TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
The comment you replied to was hyperbolic, but it has a point. Why are my taxes going towards paying for 30% of Israel's military?? They do nothing to improve the safety and stability of my country, in fact they increase geopolitical tensions.

by Zhenya 5y ago

throwaway210222 5y ago

(aljazeera of all places!) Curious why you find that curious.

jkkorn 5y ago
"Al Jazeera is a Qatari government-funded international Arabic news channel based in Doha" I don't think they've ever produced anything remotely truthful about the region. ever. That's why it's curious
- radycov 5y ago
  When even AP wouldn't dare criticise Israel for destroying its building in Gaza, it's clear there's a need for a counter narrative to the one sided propaganda. And the one Jewish woman who dared to open her mouth was immediately fired: https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Emily-Wilder-Associated-Press-Israel-Palestine-AP-16192391.php https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Emily-Wilder-Associa...
  - jkkorn 5y ago
    Oh but AP did criticise at first...but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-editor-suggests-hamas-in-gaza-city-building-2021-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-edit... Going back to the AlJazeera aspect: Qatar funds Hamas (one source cites 400m USD in 2014) AND provides the "right media coverage" through AlJazeera. From where I'm standing it doesn't look like there is one sided propaganda
    - throwaway210222 5y ago
      > but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building Ah, so its OK to drop bombs on the entire building then? So, by extrapolation, if there is a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse in a school or hospital, then the IDF can wipe those out too? Nice.
      - jkkorn 5y ago
        wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one. IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in. Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead to the fewest civilian deaths will be bombing the launch site ( a civilian building). What's the alternative? Mount a massive land invasion into a booby trapped hell hole?
        radycov 5y ago
        Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount? Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves. Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity.
        jkkorn 5y ago
        "Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount?" You know what the "temple" in temple mount is right? the dome is literally built on top of the rubble of two jewish temples. Jews can only go there on specific days+hours, aren't allowed to even pray. For extra effect: it's also allegedly where jesus used to go pray. Some people might argue that israelites are the ones who got their land stolen. That place is over the top contentious. Of course I agree that attacking worshippers is wrong. No one should be cool about that. Nonetheless, worth checking the "attacking worshippers". "Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves" Do they though? Sheik Jarrah is a private citizen dispute. Literally two groups of citizens deliberating on who owns what. "Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity."" Yeah they do. From here it looks like you're defending sending thousands of rockets (unguided) pointed at civilians. Hamas has nothing to do with Sheik Jarrah. Hamas only wants to create more conflict so that it can justify it's existence. Have you read their manifesto? It doesn't want peace, it want's the destruction of israel. Doesn't seem very negotiable. The entire movement is predicated on struggle and conflict. Not peace and harmony. Unfortunately for Hamas, the rocket launches are a recreational activity.

TheAdamAndChe 5y ago

The comment you replied to was hyperbolic, but it has a point. Why are my taxes going towards paying for 30% of Israel's military?? They do nothing to improve the safety and stability of my country, in fact they increase geopolitical tensions.