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It's more than that. Part of it is army training, but a giant part of it is organizations like ZAKA (https://zakaworld.org/ https://zakaworld.org/) whose missio

by cik 5y ago

It's more than that. Part of it is army training, but a giant part of it is organizations like ZAKA (https://zakaworld.org/ https://zakaworld.org/) whose mission comes from our core religious beliefs. As Jews, we're ideally buried fully - meaning as many body parts, blood, whatever intact, or at least with the body. In situations where disasters occur, ZAKA helps triage, recover, identify, and even do DNA analysis as needed, to help make this happen. This is in addition to training our security services. In Israel, regardless of political affiliation, religious beliefs or anything else, they're understood to be the true heroes that they are. No one else exhaustively pursues these events to conclusion. There's a reason that their mantra is חסד של אמת, which is best translated as true lovingkindness. Yes, in Hebrew lovingkindess is a concept that is different than "loving kindness".

tguvot 5y ago
With all respect to ZAKA, and I have a lot, they don't really have much to do with this unit. This unit is search and rescue (if possible). Zaka is "body (parts) collection"
- cik 5y ago
  Since when has ZAKA not trained with, and trained search and rescue? After basic, and initials there's are courses with ZAKA. ZAKA wasn't the provider of service, just of training.
  - tguvot 5y ago
    Maybe they occasionally do operation training together in order to know how to work together at crisis, but it's first time that I hear that zaka trains IDF search&rescue. I googled for it, and the only thing that I found is that IDF trained zaka people.
    - cik 5y ago
      גם וגם
hn_talmudist 5y ago
> There's a reason that their mantra is חסד של אמת It's simpler than you're making it out to be - "ḥesed shel emet" (true kindness) is based on the Talmudic idea that the truest kindness is that done for the dead, since they can't ever pay you back. Also ZAKA is not related to the IDF or this mission.
- cik 5y ago
  Of course - you cannot bury yourself. But, I'd argue that it's not the kindness translation of חסר but lovingkindness, more ברסלבish
alisonkisk 5y ago
> Yes, in Hebrew lovingkindess is a concept that is different than "loving kindness". What's the difference? Also, lovingkindness is an English word , not Hebrew. Chesed shel emet is three Hebrew words.
- cik 5y ago
  Yes, this is easily splitting Talmudic hairs. In English lovingkindness is really loving-kindness, a form of kindness that is done from the place of love. But lovingkindness is the notion that love and kindness have equal weight.

by cik 5y ago

tguvot 5y ago

With all respect to ZAKA, and I have a lot, they don't really have much to do with this unit. This unit is search and rescue (if possible). Zaka is "body (parts) collection"

cik 5y ago
Since when has ZAKA not trained with, and trained search and rescue? After basic, and initials there's are courses with ZAKA. ZAKA wasn't the provider of service, just of training.
- tguvot 5y ago
  Maybe they occasionally do operation training together in order to know how to work together at crisis, but it's first time that I hear that zaka trains IDF search&rescue. I googled for it, and the only thing that I found is that IDF trained zaka people.
  - cik 5y ago
    גם וגם

hn_talmudist 5y ago

> There's a reason that their mantra is חסד של אמת It's simpler than you're making it out to be - "ḥesed shel emet" (true kindness) is based on the Talmudic idea that the truest kindness is that done for the dead, since they can't ever pay you back. Also ZAKA is not related to the IDF or this mission.

cik 5y ago
Of course - you cannot bury yourself. But, I'd argue that it's not the kindness translation of חסר but lovingkindness, more ברסלבish

alisonkisk 5y ago

> Yes, in Hebrew lovingkindess is a concept that is different than "loving kindness". What's the difference? Also, lovingkindness is an English word , not Hebrew. Chesed shel emet is three Hebrew words.

cik 5y ago
Yes, this is easily splitting Talmudic hairs. In English lovingkindness is really loving-kindness, a form of kindness that is done from the place of love. But lovingkindness is the notion that love and kindness have equal weight.