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Tesla owns EV charging. No other experience compares. What better ad for Tesla than pulling up to a supercharger in any other EV, watching Tesla owners watch Ne

Tesla owns EV charging. No other experience compares. What better ad for Tesla than pulling up to a supercharger in any other EV, watching Tesla owners watch Netflix on their car while charging insanely fast, and then watching them leave before you. It's a smart move. Like releasing iTunes for Windows.

redisman 5y ago
> iTunes for Windows Sounds like we've had vastly different experiences with this piece of software
- rpmisms 5y ago
  Oh, it wasn't good, but that was the point. You had to wrestle with your Window 7 laptop to get your songs onto your iPod, which Just Worked™. It gave users a peek into the walled garden. Supercharging will obviously be a hassle for non-Tesla owners, but they'll sit there and watch people effortlessly using the system as it was meant to be used, and that will have an effect.
  - Reason077 5y ago
    In North America there’ll be a bit of friction with having to use an adapter or whatever. But in Europe, China, etc, Tesla are well positioned to offer a top-tier user experience. For one thing, Tesla designs and manufactures all it’s own charging hardware. The other networks often consist of a mix of charging equipment from multiple different manufacturers, which contributes to bugs, unreliability, and higher servicing costs.
    - rpmisms 5y ago
      Yeah, the Tesla portion of the experience will be great. That will serve to emphasize that users are being given a treat, getting to use the good system.
  - Isinlor 5y ago
    I had horrible experience with iTunes and iPod on Windows. It killed Apple for me. My brother bought me iPod as a present, it was cool device, but I failed to upload music to it. On normal MP3 players I just moved files onto the player and it just worked. Apple on the other hand... I never figured out how to do it with iTunes, I still don't know. Some years later after installing Ubuntu I had an idea of using Rhythmbox to try to put music on that failed iPod and that worked like a charm. Ubuntu instillation was easier for me than iTunes. Well, I never even thought about buying Apple device ever since.
    - 7thaccount 5y ago
      I had a similar experience. It should be drag and drop. Having to use something like itunes was a huge turnoff. The original iPhone was the only apple smartphone I've ever owned.
clouddrover 5y ago
That will just convince people to buy a Hyundai (Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6), a Volkswagen (Porsche Taycan, Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo, Audi e-tron GT), or a Lucid Air. They all charge faster and come with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
- rpmisms 5y ago
  Spoken like someone who's never tried to road trip in an EV other than a Tesla. Tesla also beats every single one of the cars you listed on range per dollar, as well as 0-60, handling in several cases, and actually being able to buy one in other cases (Lucid Air should be called Lucid Vapor). They all charge faster, sure. Where? I can drive two hours and reach 5 V3 superchargers. EA is notorious for chargers frequently glitching or failing altogether. CarPlay and Android Auto are nice if your built-in infotainment are awful. Tesla has excellent infotainment, so need to lose functionality by bringing in a third-party vendor. That's less of a selling point than you may think. The Kia EV6 does look absolutely marvelous, and I'm looking forward to driving one. The Taycan is a gorgeous car, and I'd like to check it out as well. Hyundai has been doing great things in the EV space, and they're some of the only cars that can match the Model 3 for WH/mile. Cool stuff. We'll see if Rawlinson can pull Lucid out of production hell, and how well the end product stands up. Point is: Tesla is being smart. They have a better product for less money than the competition, and unlike several other OEMs, they don't lose money per EV sold. Making people who are already EV owners stare at Tesla vehicles for hours is a smart move.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > They all charge faster, sure. Where? Everywhere there's a 350+ kW CCS charger. Even Teslas charge faster on CCS chargers: https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-faster-ccs2/ https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-fast...
    - simondotau 5y ago
      That data is intensely misleading, leading to false interpretations such as the one you have offered. This is just three data points retrieved from three different sources about different vehicles, different temperatures, and wildly different starting SOC. The two supercharger curves shown on that page dip early because they started from a 0% SOC. Charging between 0–10% places additional thermal strain on the battery which results in a slower overall charge rate than if you started from 10%+. There is much better data out there which demonstrates that if you keep the variables under control, superchargers and CCS2 chargers with the same peak power availability have nominally identical charge rates.

redisman 5y ago

> iTunes for Windows Sounds like we've had vastly different experiences with this piece of software

rpmisms 5y ago
Oh, it wasn't good, but that was the point. You had to wrestle with your Window 7 laptop to get your songs onto your iPod, which Just Worked™. It gave users a peek into the walled garden. Supercharging will obviously be a hassle for non-Tesla owners, but they'll sit there and watch people effortlessly using the system as it was meant to be used, and that will have an effect.
- Reason077 5y ago
  In North America there’ll be a bit of friction with having to use an adapter or whatever. But in Europe, China, etc, Tesla are well positioned to offer a top-tier user experience. For one thing, Tesla designs and manufactures all it’s own charging hardware. The other networks often consist of a mix of charging equipment from multiple different manufacturers, which contributes to bugs, unreliability, and higher servicing costs.
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    Yeah, the Tesla portion of the experience will be great. That will serve to emphasize that users are being given a treat, getting to use the good system.
- Isinlor 5y ago
  I had horrible experience with iTunes and iPod on Windows. It killed Apple for me. My brother bought me iPod as a present, it was cool device, but I failed to upload music to it. On normal MP3 players I just moved files onto the player and it just worked. Apple on the other hand... I never figured out how to do it with iTunes, I still don't know. Some years later after installing Ubuntu I had an idea of using Rhythmbox to try to put music on that failed iPod and that worked like a charm. Ubuntu instillation was easier for me than iTunes. Well, I never even thought about buying Apple device ever since.
  - 7thaccount 5y ago
    I had a similar experience. It should be drag and drop. Having to use something like itunes was a huge turnoff. The original iPhone was the only apple smartphone I've ever owned.

clouddrover 5y ago

That will just convince people to buy a Hyundai (Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6), a Volkswagen (Porsche Taycan, Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo, Audi e-tron GT), or a Lucid Air. They all charge faster and come with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.

rpmisms 5y ago
Spoken like someone who's never tried to road trip in an EV other than a Tesla. Tesla also beats every single one of the cars you listed on range per dollar, as well as 0-60, handling in several cases, and actually being able to buy one in other cases (Lucid Air should be called Lucid Vapor). They all charge faster, sure. Where? I can drive two hours and reach 5 V3 superchargers. EA is notorious for chargers frequently glitching or failing altogether. CarPlay and Android Auto are nice if your built-in infotainment are awful. Tesla has excellent infotainment, so need to lose functionality by bringing in a third-party vendor. That's less of a selling point than you may think. The Kia EV6 does look absolutely marvelous, and I'm looking forward to driving one. The Taycan is a gorgeous car, and I'd like to check it out as well. Hyundai has been doing great things in the EV space, and they're some of the only cars that can match the Model 3 for WH/mile. Cool stuff. We'll see if Rawlinson can pull Lucid out of production hell, and how well the end product stands up. Point is: Tesla is being smart. They have a better product for less money than the competition, and unlike several other OEMs, they don't lose money per EV sold. Making people who are already EV owners stare at Tesla vehicles for hours is a smart move.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > They all charge faster, sure. Where? Everywhere there's a 350+ kW CCS charger. Even Teslas charge faster on CCS chargers: https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-faster-ccs2/ https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-fast...
  - simondotau 5y ago
    That data is intensely misleading, leading to false interpretations such as the one you have offered. This is just three data points retrieved from three different sources about different vehicles, different temperatures, and wildly different starting SOC. The two supercharger curves shown on that page dip early because they started from a 0% SOC. Charging between 0–10% places additional thermal strain on the battery which results in a slower overall charge rate than if you started from 10%+. There is much better data out there which demonstrates that if you keep the variables under control, superchargers and CCS2 chargers with the same peak power availability have nominally identical charge rates.