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Are you implying Mozilla Firefox cares less about the user than Apple? Why not let Mozilla have it's browser on iOS? It's not about the user, it's about having

Are you implying Mozilla Firefox cares less about the user than Apple? Why not let Mozilla have it's browser on iOS? It's not about the user, it's about having an iron chokehold on the developers and we are too cool aid drunk to call it out.

otterley 5y ago
Mozilla is mostly funded by Google.
- howinteresting 5y ago
  And that's irrelevant, Mozilla's decision-making is quite independent of Google's. Firefox on Android is an excellent browser. Firefox on iOS could be the same if Apple let go of its chokehold.
  - falcolas 5y ago
    Firefox on iOS is an excellent browser. I use it as my daily driver, and it works perfectly well.
    - howinteresting 5y ago
      It doesn't have uBlock Origin, which I consider an essential part of a good browser.
    - robotnikman 5y ago
      It is still built on top of Safari, so it lacks features such as extensions. One of the few things which holds me back of switching to an iPhone is a true version of Firefox
  - otterley 5y ago
    > Mozilla's decision-making is quite independent of Google's. Mozilla certainly keeps the source of their funding in mind when making certain key decisions, in much the same way that elected officials do with respect to their donors. In fact, it's even more significant because Mozilla's funding primarily comes from a single source. And you can't just piss off your sole major benefactor without consequence. The argument that they have the luxury to make independent decisions would be more plausible if their foundation were funded out of a legacy foundation or something like that.
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falcolas 5y ago
> Are you implying Mozilla Firefox cares less about the user than Apple? If I look at Pocket and some of their surprise telemetry decisions, I think it's a reasonable implication. They care more about the standards and "providing an alternative to X" than they do the end user.

otterley 5y ago

Mozilla is mostly funded by Google.

howinteresting 5y ago
And that's irrelevant, Mozilla's decision-making is quite independent of Google's. Firefox on Android is an excellent browser. Firefox on iOS could be the same if Apple let go of its chokehold.
- falcolas 5y ago
  Firefox on iOS is an excellent browser. I use it as my daily driver, and it works perfectly well.
  - howinteresting 5y ago
    It doesn't have uBlock Origin, which I consider an essential part of a good browser.
  - robotnikman 5y ago
    It is still built on top of Safari, so it lacks features such as extensions. One of the few things which holds me back of switching to an iPhone is a true version of Firefox
- otterley 5y ago
  > Mozilla's decision-making is quite independent of Google's. Mozilla certainly keeps the source of their funding in mind when making certain key decisions, in much the same way that elected officials do with respect to their donors. In fact, it's even more significant because Mozilla's funding primarily comes from a single source. And you can't just piss off your sole major benefactor without consequence. The argument that they have the luxury to make independent decisions would be more plausible if their foundation were funded out of a legacy foundation or something like that.

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falcolas 5y ago

> Are you implying Mozilla Firefox cares less about the user than Apple? If I look at Pocket and some of their surprise telemetry decisions, I think it's a reasonable implication. They care more about the standards and "providing an alternative to X" than they do the end user.