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> Chrome explicitly do not care about other browsers, and think that the world would be a better place if Chrome were the only one. They are gunning for monopo

> Chrome explicitly do not care about other browsers, and think that the world would be a better place if Chrome were the only one. They are gunning for monopoly. No shame in that. The chrome app is the biggest gateway to the internet globally and winning that war means complete dominance as the world moves towards web applications. Using the carrot rather than the stick. But therein lies the rub. Safari is betting on being bundled with macOS/iOS. That's a cool few million users with nary a breath of effort. I can at least empathise with Apple. Why put in the effort like a schmuck selling fried chicken, chips and skateboards door to door when I can lay back and just collect the meatball bacon cheddar pizza rolls falling from the sky?

jolux 5y ago
> They are gunning for monopoly. No shame in that. It is pretty shameful if you’re simultaneously claiming to be the biggest defender of the open web. > Why put in the effort It’s pretty clear why at this point: developers hate them and antitrust regulators are looking for the right opportunity to go for the throat. Apple screwed up when they killed Safari on Windows, they could have had a solid shot at being the #2 browser in the world on the merits ten years ago and they totally blew it. Eddie Cue even wrote about this in some of the emails from the Epic discovery: https://twitter.com/PatrickMcGee_/status/1389632382244847623?s=20 https://twitter.com/PatrickMcGee_/status/1389632382244847623...
- vagrantJin 5y ago
  My sarcasm was missed. In any case, I'm the furthest from supporting Google or anything they do. But they aren't better or worse than Apple Inc. To defend google, yes their software has the windows problem. They have to support an absurd amount of devices. So them pushing standards is just a big whale trying to get ahead of itself. No harm in that as long as devs don't go for bleeding edge features and harbour any expectations of cross browser compatibility. In not blaming Google or the regulators. They can duke it out as long as the public benefits. Safari wasnt all bad when IE was a thing. It's just that they took IE's spot by being obtuse and generally the rich kid who's a wierdo. Thanks for the tweet link. Is there a site where leaks like this are common? I really liked it more than I should and how much Apple surprisingly looks at Google. I'd always thought Apple is above looking at companies serving peasants with peasant devices.
  - jolux 5y ago
    I believe I got that link from Daring Fireball originally.
- galaxyLogic 5y ago
  All capitalists really want to be monopolists. There is some shame in that yes. But the real shame is for the system, the laws, that allow that to happen. Shaming Google or Apple does not do much. Legislating against monopolies like AppStore would be the solution.
  - musicale 5y ago
    > Legislating against monopolies like AppStore would be the solution I'm sure Microsoft (Xbox game store), Sony (PSN store) and Nintendo (eShop) will be on board with banning proprietary app store monopolies owned by the hardware vendor.
warglebargle 5y ago
yeah there’s shame in that, following web standards is a bare minimum good behavior

jolux 5y ago

> They are gunning for monopoly. No shame in that. It is pretty shameful if you’re simultaneously claiming to be the biggest defender of the open web. > Why put in the effort It’s pretty clear why at this point: developers hate them and antitrust regulators are looking for the right opportunity to go for the throat. Apple screwed up when they killed Safari on Windows, they could have had a solid shot at being the #2 browser in the world on the merits ten years ago and they totally blew it. Eddie Cue even wrote about this in some of the emails from the Epic discovery: https://twitter.com/PatrickMcGee_/status/1389632382244847623?s=20 https://twitter.com/PatrickMcGee_/status/1389632382244847623...

vagrantJin 5y ago
My sarcasm was missed. In any case, I'm the furthest from supporting Google or anything they do. But they aren't better or worse than Apple Inc. To defend google, yes their software has the windows problem. They have to support an absurd amount of devices. So them pushing standards is just a big whale trying to get ahead of itself. No harm in that as long as devs don't go for bleeding edge features and harbour any expectations of cross browser compatibility. In not blaming Google or the regulators. They can duke it out as long as the public benefits. Safari wasnt all bad when IE was a thing. It's just that they took IE's spot by being obtuse and generally the rich kid who's a wierdo. Thanks for the tweet link. Is there a site where leaks like this are common? I really liked it more than I should and how much Apple surprisingly looks at Google. I'd always thought Apple is above looking at companies serving peasants with peasant devices.
- jolux 5y ago
  I believe I got that link from Daring Fireball originally.
galaxyLogic 5y ago
All capitalists really want to be monopolists. There is some shame in that yes. But the real shame is for the system, the laws, that allow that to happen. Shaming Google or Apple does not do much. Legislating against monopolies like AppStore would be the solution.
- musicale 5y ago
  > Legislating against monopolies like AppStore would be the solution I'm sure Microsoft (Xbox game store), Sony (PSN store) and Nintendo (eShop) will be on board with banning proprietary app store monopolies owned by the hardware vendor.

warglebargle 5y ago

yeah there’s shame in that, following web standards is a bare minimum good behavior