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People complain about Google Chrome eating the web, but it really does seem like everyone else either dislikes the web (Apple), is ambivalent (Microsoft), or pl
by MattGaiser 5y ago
People complain about Google Chrome eating the web, but it really does seem like everyone else either dislikes the web (Apple), is ambivalent (Microsoft), or plain doesn't seem to care much (Mozilla).
- slindz 5y agoSo true. I have this uneasy reliance on Chrome for supporting PWA's properly since Mozilla lost interest. It's a life/routine manager for people with horrible memories. Chrome stands alone in supporting web push notifications :S
- dhosek 5y agoSafari supports web push notifications. I have never wanted them.
- spartanatreyu 5y agoSafari doesn't support background sync, so its PWAs are barely functional. You could be getting more notifications than you need because of it.
- slindz 5y agoCan you appreciate how a memory challenged/privacy conscious person might find it helpful to opt in to web push notifications?
- falcolas 5y ago> Can you appreciate how a memory challenged/privacy conscious person might find it helpful to opt in to web push notifications? By relying on Chrome, the least privacy conscious web browser in existence? Not really. Just make an app. All of the benefits, fewer privacy compromises. But, it requires more work on the developer's end, so I also understand why they might not want to. Just stop trying to paint their decisions as being privacy conscious.
- dhosek 5y agoI can see memory challenged, but not privacy conscious. The big problem from my perspective is in the user experience. On my first visit to a site, they ask me if I want notifications. It's my first visit, I know nothing about the site. Why would I say yes? Later, if I had changed my mind, I might want to, although in most cases, I'd rather just use an RSS feed and get updates when it's convenient for me rather than for them. I have yet to encounter the scenario where website notifications are better than old-school RSS. On the privacy front? I don't see how this helps in any way with privacy. It seems like it would be more likely to be a privacy nightmare than a privacy boon.
- spfzero 5y agoThe last thing I’d want is a web push notification. I don’t have a favorite browser, but if there were one which blocked pop-ups asking me to assent to notifications, it would be my new favorite.
- slindz 5y agoWeb push notifications would only apply to PWA's, which you have to deliberately install by seeking out the add to home screen menu item. They are not the nuisance you are making them out to be.
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- rand49an 5y agoAt least in Chrome and Edge you can just disable notifications completely in the settings menu.
- roca 5y agoHow did Mozilla lose interest? Firefox for Android supports PWAs. Firefox supports push notifications on both Android and desktop.
- slindz 5y agoA decision came down in January to drop ongoing support. This included removing previously working functionality. Here was a discussion from January: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25589177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25589177
- roca 5y agoChrome eating the Web is something Mozilla cares very much about.
- whywhywhywhy 5y agoNot sure how anyone can truly believe that from their actions over the past few years.
- paxys 5y agoFollow the money. Apple makes its money from iOS & the apps ecosystem. Microsoft from business licenses. Mozilla – well they try their best but don't make much money at all. The only company to successfully monetize the open web is Google. Facebook as well to an extent but they found their success in mobile more than web, so gave up caring too much.
- otterley 5y agoThe majority of Mozilla’s operating funds come from Google.