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I love this very methodical, Sherlock Holmes style of investigating. It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.

potiuper 5y ago
"Nearly 100"; the use of statistics in the article is jarring. Also, the explanation of the Israeli's methodology is lacking; the cropped screenshots are not very helpful in determining what the software can do. How does it map the "voids" to the previous structure? The map creation is certainly a probabilistic process. So, what expectation thresholds are being used? No names for the "2-D and 3-D" software. What is sorely missing is any references. Only can assume the software is all in house to the IDF.
- intro-b 5y ago
  did you even read the article? it goes somewhat deep into how they plan and orchestrate it, especially for a normal publication
  - potiuper 5y ago
    Yes, I did read the article, and have listed details it would benefit from to allow further investigation.
mannykannot 5y ago
The key insights seem to be: 1) Despite the chaos, the debris of a collapsed building can be mapped to the structure as it was when standing. 2) All sorts of information can be used in figuring out where you are - the breed of a dog corpse, a scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi... 3) Be skeptical of secondary sources (estimates of the number of victims...) 4) Bureaucrats will be obstructive just by doing their job as if nothing has happened (we can't tell you that...) One thing that was not mentioned, but which I imagine was part of the calculus, is what people are likely to do at the first sign of trouble (in this case, noise and shaking) - head for the stairs, go to the window, wait for it to stop...
- beerandt 5y ago
  The part about how quickly they figured out the number of missing was actually 97-99, opposed to the "official" number ~150, was really impressive. Of all the things the article covers, I'm most interested to know more about how they interview friends and family so quickly and efficiently, when things are still so raw and emotional. It does say that half the team is dedicated to that task, at least initially.
- vagrantJin 5y ago
  > scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi... I can definitely see this as plausible.
void_mint 5y ago
> They found 84% of the 100 victims. The chilling and sad realization that it wasn't "They found 84 out of 100 victims"
- beerandt 5y ago
  They say 81 victims out of 97. You're overthinking it. ETA: 81, not 80. >he knew precisely where each victim would be located. >He personally found 20. His team, he said, recovered 81 by the time the last member departed Surfside on July 11. Even the freaking byline reads: >The Israeli Defense Forces’ National Rescue Unit recovered 81 of the 97 victims from the Champlain Towers South condo collapse site in Surfside.
  - mym1990 5y ago
    The quote is 'In all, the Israeli team found about 84% of the nearly 100 victims.' and the realization that they might mean that they found 84% of the body parts vs 84% of the people.
    - cromka 5y ago
      That would mean they would have to know the exact body mass of the 100 victims prior to their death and weighed each recovered piece of flesh. That's morbid and really just overthinking it.
      - mym1990 5y ago
        1. I was just pointing out thats where the OP mind could wander to, especially within the context of the story. 2. The irony is that you are the one overthinking by going as far as to suggest weighing flesh. One can recover a body from the waist up and consider it 50%.
TroisM 5y ago
> It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims. finding 100% of the victims should have been possible, but of course countries spend more on killing... I think they are just trying to bring Israel's image up since they are killing so many innocent people in the Gaza Strip... For some reason, Biden loves Israel (is that because of their religion? IE: they believe the same lies that he does)
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potiuper 5y ago

"Nearly 100"; the use of statistics in the article is jarring. Also, the explanation of the Israeli's methodology is lacking; the cropped screenshots are not very helpful in determining what the software can do. How does it map the "voids" to the previous structure? The map creation is certainly a probabilistic process. So, what expectation thresholds are being used? No names for the "2-D and 3-D" software. What is sorely missing is any references. Only can assume the software is all in house to the IDF.

intro-b 5y ago
did you even read the article? it goes somewhat deep into how they plan and orchestrate it, especially for a normal publication
- potiuper 5y ago
  Yes, I did read the article, and have listed details it would benefit from to allow further investigation.

mannykannot 5y ago

The key insights seem to be: 1) Despite the chaos, the debris of a collapsed building can be mapped to the structure as it was when standing. 2) All sorts of information can be used in figuring out where you are - the breed of a dog corpse, a scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi... 3) Be skeptical of secondary sources (estimates of the number of victims...) 4) Bureaucrats will be obstructive just by doing their job as if nothing has happened (we can't tell you that...) One thing that was not mentioned, but which I imagine was part of the calculus, is what people are likely to do at the first sign of trouble (in this case, noise and shaking) - head for the stairs, go to the window, wait for it to stop...

beerandt 5y ago
The part about how quickly they figured out the number of missing was actually 97-99, opposed to the "official" number ~150, was really impressive. Of all the things the article covers, I'm most interested to know more about how they interview friends and family so quickly and efficiently, when things are still so raw and emotional. It does say that half the team is dedicated to that task, at least initially.
vagrantJin 5y ago
> scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi... I can definitely see this as plausible.

void_mint 5y ago

> They found 84% of the 100 victims. The chilling and sad realization that it wasn't "They found 84 out of 100 victims"

beerandt 5y ago
They say 81 victims out of 97. You're overthinking it. ETA: 81, not 80. >he knew precisely where each victim would be located. >He personally found 20. His team, he said, recovered 81 by the time the last member departed Surfside on July 11. Even the freaking byline reads: >The Israeli Defense Forces’ National Rescue Unit recovered 81 of the 97 victims from the Champlain Towers South condo collapse site in Surfside.
- mym1990 5y ago
  The quote is 'In all, the Israeli team found about 84% of the nearly 100 victims.' and the realization that they might mean that they found 84% of the body parts vs 84% of the people.
  - cromka 5y ago
    That would mean they would have to know the exact body mass of the 100 victims prior to their death and weighed each recovered piece of flesh. That's morbid and really just overthinking it.
    - mym1990 5y ago
      1. I was just pointing out thats where the OP mind could wander to, especially within the context of the story. 2. The irony is that you are the one overthinking by going as far as to suggest weighing flesh. One can recover a body from the waist up and consider it 50%.

TroisM 5y ago

> It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims. finding 100% of the victims should have been possible, but of course countries spend more on killing... I think they are just trying to bring Israel's image up since they are killing so many innocent people in the Gaza Strip... For some reason, Biden loves Israel (is that because of their religion? IE: they believe the same lies that he does)

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