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For college admissions it is different: it is Asians that are discriminated against, not African Americans https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-as
by flowerlad 5y ago
For college admissions it is different: it is Asians that are discriminated against, not African Americans
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-rac...
And the way it is done is through "holistic review" process, see:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/12/the-false-promise-of-holistic-college-admissions/282432/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/12/the-fa...
Excerpt: From colleges’ perspective, “holistic” is just shorthand for, we make the decisions we make, and would rather not be asked to spell out each one. It’s a way for schools to discreetly take various sensitive factors—“overrepresented” minorities, or students whose families might donate a gym—into account.
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- endisneigh 5y agohow's college admission discrimination relevant to employer discrimination?
- denkmoon 5y agoNot many jobs going out there that don't require some kind of degree these days. University admission is a necessary step for job acquisition in anything but unskilled labor positions.
- endisneigh 5y agoyeah, but I'm not sure how discrimination at extremely elite schools is relevant to broad sector industry discrimination. don't get me wrong, discrimination is bad, but let's not act as if discrimination in getting into Harvard is in any way comparable to not being able to get a callback at McDonalds because you're black (the food industry had the highest white/black callback discrimination according to Figure 9 in the paper).
- interlocutor 5y agoSupply of eligible candidates comes from universities. Any discrimination at that stage certainly has an impact on the pipeline.
- endisneigh 5y agoi'm not following you.
- lugged 5y agoYou don't want to.
- endisneigh 5y agosure I do - that's why I said I didn't follow.
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- lugged 5y agoIt's spreading from Harvard to other schools. And from there it is being exported into HR departments around the country. You didnt notice the massive up tick in pushes for diversity in your place of work? You don't see how it's comparable? They're both instances of racism you dolt.
- endisneigh 5y ago> It's spreading from Harvard to other schools. And from there it is being exported into HR departments around the country. > You didnt notice the massive up tick in pushes for diversity in your place of work? > You don't see how it's comparable? They're both instances of racism you dolt. wow lol
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- nerdponx 5y agoI don't think it's anything other than a somewhat-related and interesting situation. People downvoting are reading too far into it.
- CheezeIt 5y agoIt’s a good point of comparison, because it’s a much bigger deal. A 9% lower callback rate, concentrated in the most marginal candidates, won’t have as big an effect on your life as college acceptance.
- endisneigh 5y agoI'd agree if the alternative is not going to college at all.
- CheezeIt 5y agoWhite Americans attend college at a lower rate than African-Americans when they have the same IQ. I suspect that’s good for whites and bad for blacks, for the average college student.
- endisneigh 5y ago> White Americans attend college at a lower rate than African-Americans when they have the same IQ. I suspect that’s good for whites and bad for blacks, for the average college student. That's an interesting claim - you gotta source for that?
- CheezeIt 5y agoI’m not really a source memorizer, sorry. I think at 117 IQ it was 50% and 67% respectively (in some past year). It’s probably tough to google too. But you could look at overall post-secondary attendance rates and compare against 12th grade literacy proficiency rates to see the same picture.
- epicureanideal 5y agoI'm not sure if that exact statistic is listed in his recent book, but a very similar one is... IQ by occupation by race. Charles Murray's "Facing Reality". It includes many tables of statistics that may interest you. Note that despite a lot of anger toward him, I've read several of his books, and he goes to great lengths to state that he doesn't believe we should discriminate against people based on their race. I highly recommend reading his books rather than listening to commentary about them.
- throwaway49195 5y agoIf colleges discriminate in favor of Black students, then these companies aren't discriminating, they're (correctly) recognizing that affirmative action exists and correcting for it when evaluating applicants.
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- rewq4321 5y agoI'm curious whether it's the same type of discrimination that this study presents. I.e. is it "group A is undesirable" or is it "most applications are from group A, and so when we positively discriminate for diversity/equity reasons, group A is most affected in terms of absolute counts" your excerpt seems to suggest the former, but my previous assumption was that it was the latter.
- nerdponx 5y agoIt's pretty clearly the former, otherwise they could just call it affirmative action which is widely accepted and legal.
- lugged 5y ago> positively discriminate for diversity/equity reasons Must be nice to be so privileged you can make up nice names for plain old racism. You mean discrimiate against Asian and white people for flawed diversity and equity reasons. Most of the black people who end up in these universities are privilleged children of immigrants. Those black faces you see around you are from Nigeria, not Chicago.