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Congratulations on your "common sense", but several highly publicized and actively exploited recent exploits against iOS required no user interaction: https://

Congratulations on your "common sense", but several highly publicized and actively exploited recent exploits against iOS required no user interaction: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/iphone-zero-click-wi-fi-exploit-is-one-of-the-most-breathtaking-hacks-ever/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/iphone-zero-click-wi... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/12/zero-click-imessage-zeroday-used-to-hack-the-iphones-of-36-journalists/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/12/zero-... https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/clickless-exploits-from-israeli-firm-hacked-activists-fully-updated-iphones/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/clickless-exploits-f... etc., etc.

tclancy 5y ago
Are there none for Android?
- wetpaws 5y ago
  Exploits for Android do not negate exploits for iOS
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  That's whataboutism. Unless there are many more exploits for Android, more than the increase in marketshare warrants, there is no reason to think a closed ecosystem is more secure than an open one.
  - geocar 5y ago
    It is hard to speak about the exploits we don’t know about, but for the ones we do: There are vastly more exploits on Android, evidenced by for no other reason than because handset manufacturers refuse to upgrade.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Asking questions about the only competitor is valid If thats a whataboutism then whataboutisms were always valid and accurate forms of introspection
  - the_dune_13 5y ago
    > tere is no reason to think a closed ecosystem is more secure than an open one Fragmentation of Android is a thing.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      It is a thing, yes, but it is avoidable nowadays. If it weren't already a thing Google could force Project Treble onto everyone and strong-arm the carriers from the beginning and it would not be an issue.
tasogare 5y ago
There isn't any commercial or open-source mobile without security flaws. Given the importance of iOS it's no wonder it's under scrutiny by attackers, just like Windows was (is) while Apple was memeing a virus free Mac OS. That wasn't the case, it's just MacOS was a mostly irrelevant target.
- simondotau 5y ago
  I'm not so sure it's accurate to describe macOS as being an irrelevant target. MacBooks in particular have had a not-insignificant market share among many valuable targets for hackers (software developers, the affluent etc) for at least ten if not fifteen years now.
  - danieldk 5y ago
    Also, it I think meming is a bit of a stretch. Of all the desktop operating systems (macOS, Linux, Windows), macOS has had the strongest security push. E.g. integration of the secure enclave throughout the system for protecting secrets, read-only system volume, mandatory sandboxing for App Store apps, and requiring applications to request use of screen capture/camera/mic/address book, etc. Sure, holes are found. Strong security is a long process of adding more and more boundaries (while giving the ecosystem some time to adapt to those boundaries) and fixing more and more logic/memory errors. Regardless, macOS is probably the most secure desktop operating system out-of-the-box.
    - vlan0 5y ago
      >Also, it I think meming is a bit of a stretch. It kinda was, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF7habaTvAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF7habaTvAY

tclancy 5y ago

Are there none for Android?

wetpaws 5y ago
Exploits for Android do not negate exploits for iOS
sudosysgen 5y ago
That's whataboutism. Unless there are many more exploits for Android, more than the increase in marketshare warrants, there is no reason to think a closed ecosystem is more secure than an open one.
- geocar 5y ago
  It is hard to speak about the exploits we don’t know about, but for the ones we do: There are vastly more exploits on Android, evidenced by for no other reason than because handset manufacturers refuse to upgrade.
- vmception 5y ago
  Asking questions about the only competitor is valid If thats a whataboutism then whataboutisms were always valid and accurate forms of introspection
- the_dune_13 5y ago
  > tere is no reason to think a closed ecosystem is more secure than an open one Fragmentation of Android is a thing.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It is a thing, yes, but it is avoidable nowadays. If it weren't already a thing Google could force Project Treble onto everyone and strong-arm the carriers from the beginning and it would not be an issue.

tasogare 5y ago

There isn't any commercial or open-source mobile without security flaws. Given the importance of iOS it's no wonder it's under scrutiny by attackers, just like Windows was (is) while Apple was memeing a virus free Mac OS. That wasn't the case, it's just MacOS was a mostly irrelevant target.

simondotau 5y ago
I'm not so sure it's accurate to describe macOS as being an irrelevant target. MacBooks in particular have had a not-insignificant market share among many valuable targets for hackers (software developers, the affluent etc) for at least ten if not fifteen years now.
- danieldk 5y ago
  Also, it I think meming is a bit of a stretch. Of all the desktop operating systems (macOS, Linux, Windows), macOS has had the strongest security push. E.g. integration of the secure enclave throughout the system for protecting secrets, read-only system volume, mandatory sandboxing for App Store apps, and requiring applications to request use of screen capture/camera/mic/address book, etc. Sure, holes are found. Strong security is a long process of adding more and more boundaries (while giving the ecosystem some time to adapt to those boundaries) and fixing more and more logic/memory errors. Regardless, macOS is probably the most secure desktop operating system out-of-the-box.
  - vlan0 5y ago
    >Also, it I think meming is a bit of a stretch. It kinda was, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF7habaTvAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF7habaTvAY