> grid already exists, people can charge at home, easier to build EV infrastructure, etc. I find it really interesting how people tend to repeat these "facts"

> grid already exists, people can charge at home, easier to build EV infrastructure, etc. I find it really interesting how people tend to repeat these "facts" over and over again and nobody fires-up Excel to go through some math and see if any of it makes any sense. I have. And I can't see how the infrastructure can possibly support a transition to a fully electric ground transportation system, well, ever. Basic numbers: How much power do we need to support the entire US fleet of cars going electric? The simplest assumption is one where 100% of the fleet uses 8 hour long charge cycles: daily charge energy 50,000 Wh cars 300,000,000 cars long charge 8 hours fast charge 0.5 hours Portion charging long 100% Portion charging fast 0% % of long-chargers charging simultaneously 100% % of short-chargers charging simultaneously 0% Total daily energy requirement 15,000 GWh Cars long-charging simultaneously 100,000,000 cars Cars short-charging simultaneously 0 cars Power for simultaneous long charging 1,875 GW Power for simultaneous short charging 0 GW Total power requirement 1,875 GW This isn't realistic, you are not going to have 300 million cars charging simultaneously during the same eight hours. Or, are we? If every hour we have, say, 1/8 of the entire fleet plug in for eight hours to charge, what's the maximum number of vehicles that will be charging simultaneously at any point in the day? The assumption is that car will charge for eight hours and be off charge for 16. Well, eight hours into the day we will, in fact, have 300 million cars charging simultaneously. After a full 24 hours from the start of this approach, the minimum number of cars charging simultaneously will be 187.5 million and the maximum 300 million. So, yes, at peak utilization we will will have 300 million cars, requiring that we deliver 50 kWh in 8 hours, which means a peak requirement of 1,875 GW. This means we need nearly two thousand giga-watt class nuclear power plants to support a fleet where 100% of the vehicles will slow charge. What happens when some percentage of the fleet needs to fast charge? I am defining fast charging as delivering 50 kWh in 30 minutes: daily charge energy 50,000 Wh cars 300,000,000 cars long charge 8 hours fast charge 0.5 hours Portion charging long 80% Portion charging fast 20% % of long-chargers charging simultaneously 100% % of short-chargers charging simultaneously 20% Total daily energy requirement 15,000 GWh Cars long-charging simultaneously 240,000,000 cars Cars short-charging simultaneously 12,000,000 cars Power for simultaneous long charging 1,500 GW Power for simultaneous short charging 1,200 GW Total power requirement 2,700 GW Now we need 2,700 giga-watt class nuclear power plants in order to be able to deliver the power needed to support the bulk of the fleet slow-charging and the remainder fast-charging spread across the day. TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED nuclear power plants. Even if I am off by a factor of ten (I threw this together and it is very simplistic), that means nearly 300 nuclear power plants to be built in, say, 30 years. We have to build ten per year and we had to get started yesterday. This is the kind of thing I look at when I talk about not reducing reality to single variables. The amount of energy we delivery by using petroleum is of a scale that is hard to imagine. To go electric we have to find alternative means to deliver some percentage of that energy (because electric cars are more energy-efficient than IC vehicles) to every car on the road every day. This task is far from being simple. Beyond that, the unmitigated mess that US politics has become over the last few decades virtually guarantees we cannot build a single nuclear power plant, much less ten, fifty or a hundred. I think we are going to have some number of people driving electrics and, in the hubris of it all, we are going to ignore the fact that we are going have to burn twice or three times more coal to charge those cars every day. It has all the potential to be a larger mess than what we currently have. I would love for someone to take the time to develop and publish a better model than my mindlessly-simple quick calculation. I know a lot of subtlety could be introduced. That said, I somehow don't think we can escape physics. My guess is we will reach the limits of our available power generation capacity at some number in the low millions of electric vehicles, not sure that means tens of millions. At some point we will face the reality that the energy we transport today in liquid form will have to be provided in electrical form. If that happens in ten years and we suddenly decide "oh, shit, we can't make enough power!" either we get very good at building nuclear power plants at a staggering rate or the fleet of electric vehicles will reach an asymptotic balance point and that will be it for a while. There are no alternative realities here. Physics doesn't tend to grant free lunches. Request: I you (plural, anyone) are going to refute the above and say something like "we will use solar". Please, pretty please, with sugar on top: Do the math first. Most people don't. Hence the problem. To repeat myself: Even if I am off by a factor of ten, the excess power generation capacity we would need to support a fully electrified ground transport system is of staggering proportions.